What is the toughest rookie card of the 1960s?

[Marchillo]

Originally Posted by BillP

Lately, it's card #496 Dalkowski rookie card w/ 3 other guys. So my question to my friends out there is this: I know the 6th series of 1963 is the tougher of the 2 high numbers and selected cards, 469 hook, 484 long for 2 are flagged as SP. But why this card? Not even in any publications as tough. A NM version right now on ebay going for much more than Clemente. Is this a case of the 64 flood or the 66 grant Jackson hoarding?
comments welcome. billp

I got that and McNally from a member here. Not perfect cards but a very fair price.

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthr...errerid=621627

They were 2 of the last 5-10 cards I got including Clemente and Rose
The

[rsdill2]

Originally Posted by Marchillo

I got that and McNally from a member here. Not perfect cards but a very fair price.

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthr...errerid=621627

They were 2 of the last 5-10 cards I got including Clemente and Rose
The

you're welcome

Back to the OP's question - there's quite a few random '60s rookies that can be tough to locate and consistently realize higher prices than one would expect (off the top of my head - '62 RC Parades, '63 Dalkowski, '66 Cards RCS, '66 G Jackson, '67 Sutherland, '67 Shellenback). But to me, the Seaver and Rose are definitely the toughest. 1 and 1(a) but if I had to rank them I'd say Seaver was the toughest for me to find in a condition I was happy with, then Rose...although the Rose does sell for more than the Seaver.

[ls7plus]

Toughest Topps rookie card of the '60's, period? Aside from the regular issues, the 1969 Topps Super printer's proof Reggie Jackson. I have one, obtained a number of years ago from Steve Verkman, and have only seen one other come up since, either in an REA or Heritage auction about 4-6 years ago (PSA, I believe, subsequently stopped grading printer's proofs).

Best to all,

Larry

[h2oya311]

Hardest 1960s rookies (stretching the boundaries a little):

1967 Cincinnati Reds Team Issue PC - Johnny Bench:


1963 Houston Colt 45s Team Issue - Joe Morgan:


1963-64 UNC-Dominican "Album" card - Phil Niekro:


1965 Baltimore Orioles Team Issue PC - Jim Palmer:


1963 Cincinnati Reds Team Issue PC - Pete Rose:


1969 Topps Test Issue - Bowie Kuhn:


For those that I don't own, I'd love to acquire a 1966 Pro's Pizza of Fergie Jenkins. I saw one years ago at auction and haven't seen another since. I'd also love a 1963 San Diego Team Issue (8"x10") of Tony Perez. Hint, hint!

[ls7plus]

Originally Posted by h2oya311

Hardest 1960s rookies (stretching the boundaries a little):

1967 Cincinnati Reds Team Issue PC - Johnny Bench:


1963 Houston Colt 45s Team Issue - Joe Morgan:


1963-64 UNC-Dominican "Album" card - Phil Niekro:


1965 Baltimore Orioles Team Issue PC - Jim Palmer:


1963 Cincinnati Reds Team Issue PC - Pete Rose:


1969 Topps Test Issue - Bowie Kuhn:


For those that I don't own, I'd love to acquire a 1966 Pro's Pizza of Fergie Jenkins. I saw one years ago at auction and haven't seen another since. I'd also love a 1963 San Diego Team Issue (8"x10") of Tony Perez. Hint, hint!

Great team issue Bench, Derek. That one's been on my want list for quite awhile. Send my a PM if you ever want to sell.

Highest regards,

Larry

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by ls7plus

Great team issue Bench, Derek. That one's been on my want list for quite awhile. Send my a PM if you ever want to sell.

Highest regards,

Larry

That Palmer is insane. Any time.
Here are a few I have picked up from Derek.

[h2oya311]

I forgot about Steve Carlton and Tom Seaver for this 1960s "rookie" thread. Nice cards, Peter! The '65 Carlton is pretty difficult. Yours has the hollow "LPIU" label which is why it's dated to '65. The solid "LPIU" labels are from '67-68 and, while the image is the same for Carlton in both issues, the cropping is slightly different. Nice one!

[Rich Klein]

Originally Posted by Marchillo

I got that and McNally from a member here. Not perfect cards but a very fair price.

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthr...errerid=621627

They were 2 of the last 5-10 cards I got including Clemente and Rose
The

That's why back in the day at Beckett. we preferred looking at uncut sheets to help with the SP and DP notations. I have told the story on a few occasions about the 1961 5th series in which our suppositions about the SP's (Maz, Skowron, etc) were proved when I saw an uncut sheet at a Nassau Coliseum show in 1993.

I suspect the Dalkowski is a SP, I remember buying one from a board member here and it sold when graded at the very next show after getting it back from the grading company.

Tresh is also well known for being tough in that series as well as Lou Brock. I suspect there is one group of 11 cards which are SP's in the 6th series.

And if you really want a tougher RC which is kind of, sort of at least related to the standard Topps cards there are

1968 Venezuelan Nolan Ryan

1965 O-Pee-Chee Murakami

Rich

[stlcardsfan]

Originally Posted by Rich Klein

That's why back in the day at Beckett. we preferred looking at uncut sheets to help with the SP and DP notations. I have told the story on a few occasions about the 1961 5th series in which our suppositions about the SP's (Maz, Skowron, etc) were proved when I saw an uncut sheet at a Nassau Coliseum show in 1993.

I suspect the Dalkowski is a SP, I remember buying one from a board member here and it sold when graded at the very next show after getting it back from the grading company.

Tresh is also well known for being tough in that series as well as Lou Brock. I suspect there is one group of 11 cards which are SP's in the 6th series.

And if you really want a tougher RC which is kind of, sort of at least related to the standard Topps cards there are

1968 Venezuelan Nolan Ryan

1965 O-Pee-Chee Murakami

Rich

The '63 Bill Freeman RC is kind of tough also from that series.

[parkerj33]

Great point Rich Klein...but to really know you have to have BOTH halves of the uncut sheets (264 cards total)....the A and B sides are often slightly different in their row layout.

[Rookiemonster]

This is definitely not my area of knowledge. But I’ve always been to under the impression that 1966 Topps had a lot of SPs. I know the Seaver is a hard to get because of the price but it’s not hard to find.

[rats60]

Originally Posted by Rookiemonster

This is definitely not my area of knowledge. But I’ve always been to Nader the impression that 1966 Topps had a lot of SPs. I know the Seaver is a hard to get because of the price but it’s not hard to find.

Actually, Seaver is hard to get. The 1967 High #s appeared on the sheets 2, 3 or 4 times. Seaver is one of the 11 cards that only appeared 2 times. I suspect that the 1966 High Numbers are similar where you have a lot of easy ones, a lot that appear to be hard, but only 11 that are truly short printed.

[Rookiemonster]

Originally Posted by rats60

Actually, Seaver is hard to get. The 1967 High #s appeared on the sheets 2, 3 or 4 times. Seaver is one of the 11 cards that only appeared 2 times. I suspect that the 1966 High Numbers are similar where you have a lot of easy ones, a lot that appear to be hard, but only 11 that are truly short printed.

Thanks for the info ! I never viewed that card as a SP growing up in New Jersey I seen that card for as long as I can remember. This makes me want the card more.

[Chuck9788]

Not sure if it's the "toughest", but Joe Morgans 1965 rookie card is special in that it's the only Hall of Fame rookie card with the "Houston Colt 45's".

[Peter_Spaeth]

It's interesting because the pennant on the Morgan card says "Houston" while other 65 Topps say "Houston Astros." And as far as I recall, all other 65 Topps just have the team nickname and logo but no city.

[rats60]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

It's interesting because the pennant on the Morgan card says "Houston" while other 65 Topps say "Houston Astros." And as far as I recall, all other 65 Topps just have the team nickname and logo but no city.

Low series cards have only Houston on the pennant, but players wearing Colt 45 hats. Later series have Houston Astros with either no hats or airbrushed hats and even Astros hats on the 7th series Rookie Star card.