Slightly O/T: Did Cy Young "Only" Win 510 Games?

[markf31]

I've been trying to track down a game log, or list of games that are credited to Cy Young. Do you have a link showing that he was in fact the winning pitcher?

[markf31]

From the book The Pittsburgh Pirates By Fred Lieb, the author states this:



So Fred Lieb's research led him to the fact that the game was deemed an exhibition by the league.

[btcarfagno]

Originally Posted by markf31

From the book The Pittsburgh Pirates By Fred Lieb, the author states this:



So Fred Lieb's research led him to the fact that the game was deemed an exhibition by the league.

Under what circumstances would a league retroactively call a sanctioned league game an exhibition? What would be the purpose?

I suppose if the league (for whatever asshatted reason) deemed it to (retroactively) be an exhibition, then the stats should not count.

[z28jd]

Originally Posted by btcarfagno

Under what circumstances would a league retroactively call a sanctioned league game an exhibition? What would be the purpose?

I suppose if the league (for whatever asshatted reason) deemed it to (retroactively) be an exhibition, then the stats should not count.

I think it's the other way around. It was an exhibition game later called a regulation game, and I wouldn't necessarily say that happened in 1890. There was never a scheduled game for September 18th in Canton, OH or between Cleveland and Pittsburgh. The two teams played those games on Sept 15, 16 and 17 as well.

[markf31]

From the Pittsburgh Dispatch September 19, 1890 which calls it as being a "championship game".

[z28jd]

Originally Posted by markf31

From the Pittsburgh Dispatch September 19, 1890 which calls it as being a "championship game".

The Dispatch did not include it in the final standings days after the season ended:

[markf31]

Originally Posted by z28jd

The Dispatch did not include it in the final standings days after the season ended:

Interesting.

I have this also, from the Dispatch dated September 17, 1890 states that the NL clubs would play in Canton the following day.

[RUKen]

Originally Posted by markf31

From the Pittsburgh Dispatch September 19, 1890 which calls it as being a "championship game".

Sporting Life also covered it as a League game in the September 27th issue of 1890 (page 2, column 1):

[z28jd]

Originally Posted by RUKen

Sporting Life also covered it as a League game in the September 27th issue of 1890 (page 2, column 1):

Those quotes I have above about it being an exhibition game are from the Sporting Life. That boxscore you posted there might be the reason it was identified as a regulation game, even though the previous issue ran the one quote and the subsequent issue ran the other.

[z28jd]

Originally Posted by markf31

I've been trying to track down a game log, or list of games that are credited to Cy Young. Do you have a link showing that he was in fact the winning pitcher?

https://www.retrosheet.org/boxesetc/1890/VCL401890.htm

Young made 16 starts and all 16 were complete games. You can see on there that Cleveland won 9, tied 1 and lost six. He recorded his other loss that season in his only relief outing. The game in question is Sept 18th, which is listed as an official game now, but wasn't official back then.