Slightly O/T: Did Cy Young "Only" Win 510 Games?

[z28jd]

I would also add that it's wrong to just quickly dismiss the local paper saying "championship game", because they didn't write that for every game. That's rare to see at the top of a game story because there's no reason to write it in most cases. In my mind, they were noting that at the top for a reason and that's because it was played at a different location. This is the same paper that wrote exhibition game for the Sept 18th game and didn't even include a boxscore.

The 113 losses we recognize now could very well be right, but "they" included the wrong game out of these two contests. Something else to consider...

[Leon]

Nice research, John. I have a feeling there are a fair amount of inconsistencies in really old stats.

Originally Posted by z28jd

I would also add that it's wrong to just quickly dismiss the local paper saying "championship game", because they didn't write that for every game. That's rare to see at the top of a game story because there's no reason to write it in most cases. In my mind, they were noting that at the top for a reason and that's because it was played at a different location. This is the same paper that wrote exhibition game for the Sept 18th game and didn't even include a boxscore.

The 113 losses we recognize now could very well be right, but "they" included the wrong game out of these two contests. Something else to consider...

[ls7plus]

I don't buy into revisionism decades or even more than a century after the fact as adding accuracy. To me, this is nonsense. In cases other than this one, the stats were tabulated from the official score sheets, not the box scores. I don't believe the former are still available, although the latter probably most often are. Taking Ty Cobb's lifetime average down from .367 to .366 and Teddy Ballgame's rookie walk total down two (?) from 107 is sheer nonsense. This is simply the height of arrogance. The number in Cy's case is 511, plain and simple, in Cobb's, .367, and 107 rookie walks for Williams.

Highest regards,

Larry