First player to reach 3000 hits not to make the HOF?

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by Chuck9788

Will Manny Ramirez or Alex Rodriguez be enshrined in the HOF within the next 10 years?

Yes without a doubt

[packs]

Without a doubt? It's been 6 years for Bonds. He's still very far away.

[Bored5000]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

Yes without a doubt

I disagree completely. How is Ben Johnson viewed today, 30 years after he lost his Olympic gold medal? How are the East German athletes from 40 years ago viewed today?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Yeah, McGwire has been eligible for more than a decade I believe, I do believe there will come a time when these guys will get in but I think it's very much uncertain right now.

[Peter_Spaeth]

None of you people who follow baseball can name the player under 30 with the most hits without looking it up?

[clydepepper]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

None of you people who follow baseball can name the player under 30 with the most hits without looking it up?

I'll take a stab and say Trout...sure I'm wrong


You did mean active players, right?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by clydepepper

I'll take a stab and say Trout...sure I'm wrong


You did mean active players, right?

Incorrect.

[steve B]

I cheated and looked it up. Quite a surprise, as is the guy who has a few more and is 30.

[the 'stache]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

None of you people who follow baseball can name the player under 30 with the most hits without looking it up?

Three names immediately come to mind. Jose Altuve, Starlin Castro and Elvis Andrus. Castro has already been named, and is wrong, so it would come down to a guess between the other two. Both guys started really, really young, and, to my knowledge, neither have ever had an injury to keep them out of a large number of games (at least, until this year, when Andrus missed a block of games. The Dallas Morning News made a big deal about how it was the first time he ever went on the DL). Altuve is a much better hitter, though Andrus started to come into his own the past two seasons, hitting around .300.

Altuve leads the league/Majors in hits like every year (he's an automatic 200 hits each season, while I don't think Andrus has ever hit that plateau), so my gut tells me to go with him. But the "surprise" factor just referenced makes me think that Andrus is the guy.

I would have never thought of him if I didn't live twenty minutes from the Ballpark in Arlington.

[Peter_Spaeth]

In the post where I posed the question I said it wasn't Altuve. You have to read.

So yes, it's Andrus.

[the 'stache]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

In the post where I posed the question I said it wasn't Altuve. You have to read.

So yes, it's Andrus.

My eyes are going?

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Yeah, McGwire has been eligible for more than a decade I believe, I do believe there will come a time when these guys will get in but I think it's very much uncertain right now.

New Baseball writers keep replacing the old guard....its without a doubt how the younger voters will decide to let either of the guys in. If you poll the current voting you will see what i mean.

[packs]

Bonds is the greatest steroid player of all time and his vote total only grew 3 percent from 2017 to 2018. He's seen his total go up 20 percent in 6 years. If he maintains the same growth with the new guard, he'll still be off the ballot before he's in. So why would lesser cheaters get in before him?

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by packs

Bonds is the greatest steroid player of all time and his vote total only grew 3 percent from 2017 to 2018. He's seen his total go up 20 percent in 6 years. If he maintains the same growth with the new guard, he'll still be off the ballot before he's in. So why would lesser cheaters get in before him?

5 or 6 years isnt enough time...still considered too soon..will move up exponentially as it get closer to the deadline...its like saying there were no trades in baseball on June 10, and the season had gone on for so many months so why would there be trades by deadline.

Things happen when a deadline occurs. If you are voted on the very last year nobody cares that you waited that long. So not having much of a vote means nothing right now for Bonds/Mcgwire that arent being voted in based on things outside the stats.

[packs]

I don't know what that means. Over the next 4 years Bonds will fall off the ballot entirely. When he does, Ramirez will be in year 6 of 10 to stay on the ballot. His voting totals went down last year from 23% to 22%.