The new SGC is almost here!

MikeGarcia · #1 08-05-2018, 11:33 AM

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Please tell me why anyone would want a modern flip with a prewar card?

I just do not understand this.

SGC needs a graphic design person with real creative ability. "

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Johnny630 · #2 08-05-2018, 12:06 PM

It looks like most on the board like their new flip and system. Maybe they will become the new TPG number 1.

T205 GB · #3 08-05-2018, 02:54 PM

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It looks like most on the board like their new flip and system. Maybe they will become the new TPG number 1.

After what was said on the floor of National I don’t think they have enough patches to plug the holes in their boat now.

CollectingAmericasPastime · #4 08-05-2018, 03:23 PM

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After what was said on the floor of National I don’t think they have enough patches to plug the holes in their boat now.

Their National preparation was very, very disappointing. However, you're discounting something that was said a lot on the floor: their customer service was still excellent. I submitted some cards on Saturday, and despite internet problems, Andy was tremendous. I'm neutral on the flips. The black gasket is still the best part about their slabs, and their customer service is excellent. I will continue to use SGC based on those two factors, and believe they will be able to right the ship after a shaky (to say the least) National.

swarmee · #5 08-05-2018, 03:34 PM

How were the submission lines at the three TPGs? Looks like PSA's new streamlined process was nice and saved people a bunch of time.

calvindog · #6 08-05-2018, 04:31 PM

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After what was said on the floor of National I don’t think they have enough patches to plug the holes in their boat now.

They will be using computers to grade cards, thereby removing the uncertainty that exists when humans are involved, i.e. the garbage grading from PSA. They will have scans of all cards graded which will be available to anyone online. They will have the ability to make offers on any card graded, again available to anyone online. Their customer service blows away PSA. Their slab is head and shoulders better looking than PSA's. Oh - but PSA has the Registry which causes higher resale value on certain issues. I'm sure SGC has no chance in such a marketplace.

T205 GB · #7 08-06-2018, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by calvindog

They will be using computers to grade cards, thereby removing the uncertainty that exists when humans are involved, i.e. the garbage grading from PSA. They will have scans of all cards graded which will be available to anyone online. They will have the ability to make offers on any card graded, again available to anyone online. Their customer service blows away PSA. Their slab is head and shoulders better looking than PSA's. Oh - but PSA has the Registry which causes higher resale value on certain issues. I'm sure SGC has no chance in such a marketplace.

I am well aware of what they are trying to do.

CMIZ5290 · #8 08-06-2018, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by calvindog

They will be using computers to grade cards, thereby removing the uncertainty that exists when humans are involved, i.e. the garbage grading from PSA. They will have scans of all cards graded which will be available to anyone online. They will have the ability to make offers on any card graded, again available to anyone online. Their customer service blows away PSA. Their slab is head and shoulders better looking than PSA's. Oh - but PSA has the Registry which causes higher resale value on certain issues. I'm sure SGC has no chance in such a marketplace.

Just wondering, what is your hard on with PSA? You are beyond intelligent enough to know the difference in value....Also, who gives a damn about how nice the holder is when resale value is in play? Hell, for that matter, Beckett's holders are nice and thick....Really? Why is this a big deal? Would you sacrifice price versus presentation? It sounds like you have a huge agenda with PSA, good luck with that for whatever reason.....

calvindog · #9 08-06-2018, 06:22 PM

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Just wondering, what is your hard on with PSA? You are beyond intelligent enough to know the difference in value....Also, who gives a damn about how nice the holder is when resale value is in play? Hell, for that matter, Beckett's holders are nice and thick....Really? Why is this a big deal? Would you sacrifice price versus presentation? It sounds like you have a huge agenda with PSA, good luck with that for whatever reason.....Wonder what David Hall would think about different holders versus value?

I don't have an "agenda" with PSA -- I have thousands of cards in PSA holders. Some of us are not as desperate for money when it comes to this hobby so resale is not the only issue when picking a grading company. And other than in popular Registry sets, resale value is no different between the two companies. In addition, as someone who spends big money on cards, I feel more comfortable buying an SGC card than a PSA card on average as I know there is a better chance of the card being graded correctly. Finally, the cards look better in SGC holders and SGC's customer service is leaps and bounds ahead of PSA's.

I guess if responding negatively to shitty customer service, lousy grading and ugly holders qualifies as an "agenda" than I have an agenda.

CMIZ5290 · #10 08-06-2018, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by calvindog

I don't have an "agenda" with PSA -- I have thousands of cards in PSA holders. Some of us are not as desperate for money when it comes to this hobby so resale is not the only issue when picking a grading company. And other than in popular Registry sets, resale value is no different between the two companies. In addition, as someone who spends big money on cards, I feel more comfortable buying an SGC card than a PSA card on average as I know there is a better chance of the card being graded correctly. Finally, the cards look better in SGC holders and SGC's customer service is leaps and bounds ahead of PSA's.

I guess if responding negatively to shitty customer service, lousy grading and ugly holders qualifies as an "agenda" than I have an agenda.

Fair enough...Interesting though as all of the high graded T206s I bought from you several years ago, all were graded PSA...

T205 GB · #11 08-06-2018, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by CMIZ5290

Just wondering, what is your hard on with PSA? You are beyond intelligent enough to know the difference in value....Also, who gives a damn about how nice the holder is when resale value is in play? Hell, for that matter, Beckett's holders are nice and thick....Really? Why is this a big deal? Would you sacrifice price versus presentation? It sounds like you have a huge agenda with PSA, good luck with that for whatever reason.....

He is just had a strong preference for SGC.

Johnny630 · #12 08-05-2018, 04:50 PM

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After what was said on the floor of National I don’t think they have enough patches to plug the holes in their boat now.

What was said in the floor of the National?

bnorth · #13 08-05-2018, 04:55 PM

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After what was said on the floor of National I don’t think they have enough patches to plug the holes in their boat now.

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What was said in the floor of the National?

+1 What was said at The National.

Republicaninmass · #14 08-05-2018, 05:10 PM

Truth! I only buy pricing errors

52ToppsMantle · #15 08-05-2018, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by T205 GB

After what was said on the floor of National I don’t think they have enough patches to plug the holes in their boat now.

What was said at the national, and how many holes in the boat are we talking about?

Republicaninmass · #16 08-05-2018, 07:37 PM

Are we talking....Titanic?

canjond · #17 08-05-2018, 11:13 PM

I don't know what was said but they were basically having technical issues the whole show. I was lucky enough that my submission somehow got through, albeit it took 2.5 days.

Republicaninmass · #18 08-06-2018, 06:19 AM

"Skynet had become self aware"

jerseygary · #19 08-05-2018, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeGarcia

.."
Please tell me why anyone would want a modern flip with a prewar card?

I just do not understand this.

SGC needs a graphic design person with real creative ability. "

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As a graphic designer, the flips from all the TPG's get under my skin for their bad design. Many years ago I was brought in by GAI to create some designs for a high-end flip and slab that complimented the beautiful cards that they encapsulated. I had to work within the limitations of the equipment that made the flips and other tough restrictions, but I think the designs were able to add a touch of style and class that went well with the expensive cards they housed.

This was just before the company began their spiral, and my designs never went into production. But it shows that at least one TPG cared enough to try to make their flips aesthetically pleasing.

When I get a card that is in a slab, the first thing I do is break it open and ditch the flip. I don't want anything so badly designed to be near something as beautiful as a Diamond Star or Goudey.

canjond · #20 08-05-2018, 01:37 PM

I got a few autographed card slabbed at the National, so I figured I'd share the new container. It will take some getting used to, but I'm generally a fan. I actually picked SGC for this card because I liked how the black label looked with the black background.

Republicaninmass · #21 08-05-2018, 01:58 PM

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As a graphic designer, the flips from all the TPG's get under my skin for their bad design. Many years ago I was brought in by GAI to create some designs for a high-end flip and slab that complimented the beautiful cards that they encapsulated.

Were they trimmed with "BAT wings"?

I kid