Hal Newhouser

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I was thinking of 46, the Enos Slaughter play, when he was definitely at SS, but you're right he moved over after 47. In any case, Vern Stephens had some HUGE years for the Red Sox in that time period, 130 RBI type seasons. 1ndeed, a 159 RBI season. I doubt Rizzuto would have been an improvement notwithstanding his intangibles.

OK, I'm guessing that you are doubting that Ted Williams said what I said he said regarding Phil Rizzuto ? ?

That's your prerogative. However, I have no reason to have "fabricated" this. I had a very friendly conversation with Ted for about an hour. He did most of the talking
and I did a lot of listening.
The subject of Rizzuto came up when I told Ted that I grew up in Hillside, NJ two blocks of where Rizzuto lived. And, I was an avid Yankees fan. Ted, then, responded
with what I said in the above post. His comment did surprise me. But, Ted elaborated on the benefits of having a very effective lead-off hitter like Rizzuto.

Yes, Stephens had a "big bat" (he batted clean-up). But trust me, Ted Williams favored Rizzuto.


TED Z

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[Peter_Spaeth]

I don't doubt you at all Ted. Why would I? I just said it was an odd thing for him to say, given how the Sox were very well represented at SS.

[parker1b2]

Originally Posted by tedzan

OK, I'm guessing that you are doubting that Ted Williams said what I said he said regarding Phil Rizzuto ? ?

That's your prerogative. However, I have no reason to have "fabricated" this. I had a very friendly conversation with Ted for about an hour. He did most of the talking
and I did a lot of listening.
The subject of Rizzuto came up when I told Ted that I grew up in Hillside, NJ two blocks of where Rizzuto lived. And, I was an avid Yankees fan. Ted, then, responded
with what I said in the above post. His comment did surprise me. But, Ted elaborated on the benefits of having a very effective lead-off hitter like Rizzuto.

Yes, Stephens had a "big bat" (he batted clean-up). But trust me, Ted Williams favored Rizzuto.


TED Z

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Lived on Purce St in Hillside first 3 years of my life. 1977-1979ish

[insidethewrapper]

He probably always was a hard guy to sign a licensing agreement with. He had a bad temper and was not liked by many. I couldn't imagine someone asking him for permission to be in a set and offer him a few dollars. He would balk at that. My dad ( now age 96) played against him in American Legion ball before the Tigers signed him, and he stated he was "a jerk". He would throw his mitt on the ground and stare at any player who made an error when he was pitching. He was great during the war years when many great players were not on the rosters.

[PowderedH2O]

Roy Cullenbine would have liked to have half the amount of cards that Hal Newhouser had...

[paul]

Newhouser also is missing from the 1953 Glendale Meats set, which featured only Detroit Tigers. Maybe Mike is right and he just didn't like signing agreements to have his face on cards. But it's still odd that he appeared in the 53 and 55 Topps sets, but not 51, 52, or 54.

[Chris-Counts]

The fact that so many great players are in the Leaf set and there are so many omissions in early Topps and Bowman sets makes me wonder if Leaf even had permission to make cards of all the players in its set. I understand Berk Ross didn't get permission to make cards of players in its sets.

[Chris-Counts]

The fact that so many great players are in the Leaf set and there are so many omissions in early Topps and Bowman sets makes me wonder if Leaf even had permission to make cards of all the players in its set. I understand Berk Ross didn't get permission to make cards of players in its sets.

[trdcrdkid]

Originally Posted by Chris Counts

The fact that so many great players are in the Leaf set and there are so many omissions in early Topps and Bowman sets makes me wonder if Leaf even had permission to make cards of all the players in its set. I understand Berk Ross didn't get permission to make cards of players in its sets.

Bowman sued Leaf in 1949 for issuing cards of players with whom Bowman has exclusive contracts, and that’s why the second series (the “short prints”) was pulled from the market. See my post about 1949 Leaf baseball at the link below, and also Ted Z’s article about the set in the Fall 2006 Old Cardboard (cited in the comments to my post).

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=232507

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by Chris Counts

The fact that so many great players are in the Leaf set and there are so many omissions in early Topps and Bowman sets makes me wonder if Leaf even had permission to make cards of all the players in its set. I understand Berk Ross didn't get permission to make cards of players in its sets.

It's my understanding that Joe DiMaggio did not give LEAF the rights to print this 1949 card of him.
Furthermore, Joe D would not permit BOWMAN (1949 - 1952) or TOPPS (1951 - 1952) to portray his image on their cards. And of course, they didn't.








Stay tuned for an actual player's signing with the LEAF GUM Co.



TED Z

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[MikeGarcia]

Originally Posted by insidethewrapper

He probably always was a hard guy to sign a licensing agreement with. He had a bad temper and was not liked by many. I couldn't imagine someone asking him for permission to be in a set and offer him a few dollars. He would balk at that. My dad ( now age 96) played against him in American Legion ball before the Tigers signed him, and he stated he was "a jerk". He would throw his mitt on the ground and stare at any player who made an error when he was pitching. He was great during the war years when many great players were not on the rosters.

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"Newhouser actually pitched pretty well in 1942 and 1943, making the All-Star game both years, but the Tigers gave him very little run support, so his W-L record suffered. And this has nothing to do with his cards, but Newhouser was one of the meanest, most disliked players in baseball during his career, with a legendary temper."

..So then we can safely assume someone else selected his 'salutation' for him ?

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