Were Group 1 Subjects Printed With EPDG Before PD 350 ?

tedzan · #1 09-01-2018, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Pat R

Ted,

The Joe Doyle card doesn't relate to what's being discussed in this thread
and I only mentioned it because you brought it up and I completely disagree
with this statement. If he was printed early in the 350 only series he would
have a Forrest Green Sovereign back like the rest of the 350 only subjects
not Apple green.

Pat

ALC selected the Joe Doyle card and the other 65 subjects which were printed with the SOVEREIGN 350 (apple green) backs just prior to the print runs of the AMERICAN BEAUTY 350
with frame cards (circa Summer 1910).

ALC planned on continuing to print these subjects into their 460 Series. However, Joe Doyle was sold to Cinci on May 31, 1910. So, his card was eliminated.
The 350 Series (forest green) SOVEREIGN 350 cards were printed prior to the press runs of the apple green cards.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pat R

Haven't you stated previously that senator Russell pulled the cards
from packs of Piedmont and Old Mills which were the two brands that he
smoked? If this is true I wouldn't expect him to have any of the
"elite eleven" with EPDG backs or any other subjects with EPDG backs.

Yes, the greater majority of cards in Russell's collection of T206's are PIEDMONT. And, there are about a half a dozen EPDG cards in it.

I have to stop here, as we are going to the Jersey shore for the Holiday weekend.

Have a happy and safe Labor Day weekend.

TED Z

T206 Reference
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Pat R · #2 09-03-2018, 04:12 PM

Here's an "elite eleven" example that has the same pattern.

Some Lindaman examples have a spot that looks like he's wearing
an earing all of these examples also have a pink patch in the yellow background.

Lindaman Mark By Ear.jpg

They are found on PD150 and EPDG backs but none of the PD350's
I found have these marks.
Lidaman Mark by Ear EPDG 2.jpg Lindaman Mark By Ear EPDG 1.jpg

Lindaman Mark By Ear PD150 1.jpg Lindaman Mark By Ear PD150 2.jpg

Lindaman PD350 1.jpg

Lindaman PD350 2.jpg

Brian Weisner · #3 09-04-2018, 02:12 PM

Hey Pat,
As usual, great work. Here are a few more Lindaman EPDG's, one with the dot and one without. I've also added two more dot less 350's to your group.

Hope you are well Brian

Pat R · #4 09-04-2018, 03:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brian Weisner

Hey Pat,
As usual, great work. Here are a few more Lindaman EPDG's, one with the dot and one without. I've also added two more dot less 350's to your group.

Hope you are well Brian

Hey Brian,

Thanks for posting your Lindaman's. Nice looking cards and tough combos
especially the PD350's. I already counted your EPDG with the spot and
it's on 25% of the EPDG's that I found scans of so far.

Pat R · #5 09-08-2018, 07:53 AM

Here's another "elite eleven" subject.

Black Background - Copy (2).jpg

PD150

Jones White Spots PD150 1.jpg
Jones White Spots PD150 3.jpg

EPDG

Jones White Spots EPDG 1.jpg
Jones White Spots EPDG 2.jpg
Jones White Spots EPDG 3.jpg

1 PD350

tedzan · #6 09-08-2018, 10:33 AM

Pat

Here is are the Tom Jones cards from my sets.. The PIEDMONT 350 has the "white mark", obviously the other two cards do not.

My SWEET CAP, Factory #30 set is in the safety deposit box; therefore, I cannot at this time display its Tom Jones card.

TED Z

T206 Reference
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Pat R · #7 09-09-2018, 05:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tedzan

Pat

Here is are the Tom Jones cards from my sets.. The PIEDMONT 350 has the "white mark", obviously the other two cards do not.

My SWEET CAP, Factory #30 set is in the safety deposit box; therefore, I cannot at this time display its Tom Jones card.

TED Z

T206 Reference
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Hi Ted welcome back I hope you had a good time at the shore last weekend.

Interesting Jones that's the first PD350 that I've seen that shares the same
flaw as a PD150 or EPDG.

Based on the research I've done on all of the flaws this is an educated guess on
a possible timeline of the EPDG and Old Mill's in relation to the PD150 and 350's
from print group 1 There is evidence that the PD150's were printed in 3 or 4
different stages and I used four on this chart.

EPDG and Old Mill Chart.jpg

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