Are UZIT cards as scarce as BROAD LEAF 460 cards ?

t206kid · #1 09-12-2018, 07:42 AM

Those are the pop reports sorted by back...and then the total of all the data in the column as added/reported by the grading company. If you're adding up individually perhaps you're missing cards that are unattributed to a specific pose. If I add up all the cards I have attributed to players I get 235. With the 235 I am definitely not double counting.

t206kid · #2 09-12-2018, 07:44 AM

Gonna try a cut and paste so it might get ugly...

Abbaticchio Ed Blue Sleeves 1
Ames Red Hands above Head 0
Ball Neal Cleveland 0
Bell George Follow Thru 1
Berger Heinie 7
Bradley Bill Batting 2
Bridwell Al Cap 0
Burch Al Fielding 3
Camnitz Howie Arm at Side 0
Camnitz Howie Hands Over Head 0
Chase Hal Holding Trophy 6
Cobb Ty Bat off Shoulder 12
Conroy Wid Batting 3
Crandall Doc Cap 2
Crawford Sam Batting 5
Frill John 1
Geyer Rube 3
Herzog Buck Boston 2
Hummell John 1
Jennings Hughie One Hand Shows 2
Jennings Hughie Both Hands Show 12
Jordan Tim Batting 8
Lajoie Nap Batting 3
Lake Joe Ball 1
Lake Joe No Ball 8
Latham Arlie 10
Leach Tommy Fielding 6
Leifield Lefty Batting 3
Manning Rube Pitching 5
Marquard Rube Pitching 5
McGraw John Portrait with Cap 2
McQuillan George Batting 9
Merkle Fred Throwing 12
Mullin George Batting 6
Murray Red Portrait 1
Oldring Rube Batting 2
Overall Orval Hands at Waist 1
Overall Orval Hands Face Level 2
Pelty Barney Vertical 4
Pfeister Jake Throwing 6
Schaefer Germany Washington 5
Schlei Admiral Batting 5
Schlei Admiral Portrait 6
Schulte Wildfire Back View 0
Seymour Cy Portrait 10
Sheckard Jimmy Glove Showing 1
Smith Frank Chicago & Boston 7
Smith Happy 1
Steinfeldt Harry Batting 8
Tinker Joe Bat on Shoulder 1
Tinker Joe Bat off Shoulder 1
Wagner Heinie Bat on Rt Shoulder 8
White Doc Throwing 2
Wilhelm Kaiser Batting 4
Willetts Ed Willets 4
Willis Vic Batting 5
Wiltse Hooks Portrait with Cap 3
Wiltse Hooks Pitching 7
TOTAL: 235

Rhotchkiss · #3 09-12-2018, 05:03 PM

Jay, your list implies there is only one (1) Tinker Bat Off Uzit, but according to pop reports, this is one of four (although one may be a crossover). Sorry, couldn�t help it!

t206kid · #4 09-12-2018, 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss

Jay, your list implies there is only one (1) Tinker Bat Off Uzit, but according to pop reports, this is one of four (although one may be a crossover). Sorry, couldn�t help it!

Troublemaker...

I see those 3 on sgc...since Tinker has both a bat on and off Uzit pose, I couldn't attribute which of those 3 went to which pose count so I left them off. Alas if only pop reports were perfect. I did the best I could with the available data!

mrvster · #5 09-12-2018, 08:08 PM

I also feel the uzit is underrated and about as difficult as drum......just my observations with no hard data.....Jay....WOW!

KEEP UP THE GREAT RESEARCH! love to see your numbers....

Pat and Ted.....you are both T206 genius and love reading your data/theories both of you....I hate to see either one of you at any odds...both just incredible insight!

and I definitely can see both of your sides on a lot of issues....love the competition, you guys "feed" off each other, and we all benefit to both of your research(and everyone else)

just want to say much respect to all your hard work of all of you....Ryan, you have really become an expert

!

bl 460 super rare ....uzit rare..... and drum rare... uzit does not get the love as much

great buy uzits now imho

mrvster · #6 09-12-2018, 08:11 PM

Really enjoyed your story.....you are a true legend and I wish I handled 10% of the T206 you have had ! as you know, Wagner is my dream.....

keep those stories coming my friend

Sean · #7 09-12-2018, 08:15 PM

Hi Johnny, it's always good to hear from you.

You always bring something positive.

barrysloate · #8 09-13-2018, 05:08 AM

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Originally Posted by mrvster

Really enjoyed your story.....you are a true legend and I wish I handled 10% of the T206 you have had ! as you know, Wagner is my dream.....

keep those stories coming my friend

Thanks Johnny. I'm happy to share the stories, the problem is remembering them all!

t206kid · #9 09-12-2018, 09:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mrvster

I also feel the uzit is underrated and about as difficult as drum......just my observations with no hard data.....Jay....WOW!

KEEP UP THE GREAT RESEARCH! love to see your numbers....

Pat and Ted.....you are both T206 genius and love reading your data/theories both of you....I hate to see either one of you at any odds...both just incredible insight!

and I definitely can see both of your sides on a lot of issues....love the competition, you guys "feed" off each other, and we all benefit to both of your research(and everyone else)

just want to say much respect to all your hard work of all of you....Ryan, you have really become an expert

!

bl 460 super rare ....uzit rare..... and drum rare... uzit does not get the love as much

great buy uzits now imho

Thanks Johnny! I tend to agree with you that Uzit is underrated and should be viewed as closer to Drum. And I certainly agree that the time is now to buy Uzits!

Rhotchkiss · #10 09-12-2018, 10:30 PM

Agree Sean, Hi Johnny! How you doing my man? I hope all is well; great to see you posting.

Jay, good point re tinker bat on and bat off and SGC not distinguishing; maybe there are only 2 bat off

tedzan · #11 09-13-2018, 04:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss

Jay, your list implies there is only one (1) Tinker Bat Off Uzit, but according to pop reports, this is one of four (although one may be a crossover). Sorry, couldn�t help it!

Hi Ryan

My research on these two Tinker / UZIT cards indicates the following...�

Bat Off....PSA (1 card)�.SGC (2 cards)��..As you noted one of the so-called four is a crossover.

Bat On.....PSA (1 card)�.SGC (1 card)

And, you posted this on another one of my threads.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss

Hola Ted. I do have all the T206 backs, at this point just trying to upgrade. But my Red Hindu is an Evers yellow sky, I never owned that red hindu; but I look forward to getting a good a deal at the next philly show for sure!!!

I look forward to seeing you and talking T206's at the Philly Show (in Oaks) in the forthcoming weekend (21st - 23rd).

And, if you still need a red HINDU, I should have two of them to choose from.

TED Z

T206 Reference
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judsonhamlin · #12 09-13-2018, 06:31 PM

At the risk of wading in to the fray, for all of the 90's and early 00's, I was heavily into rare backs (and still am to a point) and was keeping track of as many combinations as possible from dealers, at shows and at auctions. Over that time, I saw very few Uzits, but saw them in a number of dribs and drabs. I bought both that I could (Stienfeldt and Willis) and sold the Willis through Barry. As far as Broadleaf 460s, I saw them only twice in that 15 year span- once when I bought 2 of the 4-5 one dealer had one Friday night at Ft. Washington (O'Leary and Snodgrass) and sold the O'Leary also through Barry - and a Bender that Sports Cards Plus had in a mailer that I missed out on.
Since then, I have seen marginally more Uzits but more 460's have surfaced than I thought were possible, but it's kind of like comparing California Condors and Whooping Cranes - impossibly scarce compared to the rest of the T206 world.

mrvster · #13 09-13-2018, 09:27 PM

its these discussions which help us understand the monster a little better

....Barry, Jay, Sean, Ryan, Ted , Pat , Michael and the others who have posted. great to read your insight and kind words......uzits are a misunderstood animal

rats60 · #14 09-13-2018, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by mrvster

its these discussions which help us understand the monster a little better

....Barry, Jay, Sean, Ryan, Ted , Pat , Michael and the others who have posted. great to read your insight and kind words......uzits are a misunderstood animal

Johnny, I feel like we had this same discussion a couple weeks ago in the best t206s to invest in. I feel that Uzits are under valued when you can buy them ~2k and Drums are ~5k. They point was made that there are more known subjects with Drum backs. I asked what about Uzits with pop 3 or under and got no response. There are some Uzits that have larger pops, but when you can pick up an Uzit for 40% of a Drum and they have the same pop, these cards could easily double or more in the next few years, in my opinion.

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