Are UZIT cards as scarce as BROAD LEAF 460 cards ?

scottglevy · #1 09-14-2018, 01:50 PM

I’ll limit my comments to the glorious period of time from the early 1980s to the mid 1990s. During that time my dad and I had the amazing experience of buying several complete or near complete T206 sets and many thousands of other T206 cards in raw lots ranging from a few dozen to several hundred. In all, we’ve probably owned at least 5k - maybe even close to 10k T206s at some point - although never at the same time. It sounds impossible now, but at one point average cards cost $1 and even Cobb was under $50.

During those earlier years, many folks didn’t know much or care much about the backs - especially when you purchased a set or a large lot of cards.

I can say that Dad or I never found a raw Cobb/Cobb, Brown Lenox, BL460 or drum. While this is a small sample, it’s interesting to note the tougher backs that we’ve found as.
1 brown old mill (probably shouldn’t count this as I saw the image before I bought the lot)
2 Red Hindu
3 Uzits (one was on a Cobb batting!!)
And at least 3 of all other back varieties (although Black Lenox, BL350, P42 and Carolina Brights were all probably on “close to 5” end of things).

I’m not suggesting from my small sample that we should re-rank rarity, however, it is interesting that I never came across drum or BL460 - and I very rarely even saw them in the raw collections that we didn’t get a chance to buy (in fact, I NEVER saw a BL460 in a raw collection - except for one time, where the seller explicitly knew it was there and made sure to say as much.

barrysloate · #2 09-14-2018, 02:25 PM

Hi Scott- 5,000-10,000 cards is not a small sample IMO. I think that's a large enough number to make a lot of determinations regarding what is scarce and what is not.

I also probably handled somewhere around 10,000 T206, some unsearched from original collections, and some bought at auction which were likely cherrypicked. As I said on a different thread, I once bought an original collection with two Drums, but that was by far an outlier. Virtually all original collections I bought did not have rare backs in them.

But I also remember how inexpensive those backs were in the 80's and 90's. When I had Drums and Uzits I might get $125-150 each for them. I also remember Brown Hindus got a small premium over a common. So if commons were $15 I would sell a BH for $25. It's comical looking back how affordable this stuff once was. But it won't be ever again.

tedzan · #3 09-14-2018, 08:34 PM

I've kept a few of my UZIT's....and, in the past 10 years I have sold these......

Sold for $2900 (2017)

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Sold for $5925 (consigned to REA 2013....this Herzog / UZIT is the only one known)

Cash/trade deal....$1200 + $500 value in trade (2012)

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Sold for $1650 (2008)

TED Z

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RedsFan1941 · #4 09-14-2018, 08:38 PM

how many broad leaf 460’s have you had/sold over the years Ted?

Leon · #5 09-15-2018, 11:42 PM

Just by thinking about how many I have seen I would say there are more Uzits.

tedzan · #6 09-16-2018, 09:12 AM

Hey guys

Of course we've seen more UZIT cards than BROAD LEAF 460 cards. The numbers favor this observation.
More than twice as many UZIT subjects have been confirmed than BROAD LEAF 460 subjects.
However, the scarcity factor of these two backs is very close.

.......... 28 confirmed out of a possible 35 printed

........ 58 confirmed out of a possible 74 printed

TED Z

T206 Reference
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sb1 · #7 09-16-2018, 10:52 AM

The nicest Uzit's and BL 460 I have left. I have owned about an equal amount, at one time I had 5 BL 460's but that was because I pursued them. The BL 460 is quite a bit tougher than the Uzit in my opinion, about 2-1 Uzit's for BL 460 as the population reflects. Still Drum is much more popular and probably about as tough as BL 460 as they seem to not get resold. Both Drum and BL 460 are notoriously difficult to find centered on the back as well.

Pat R · #8 09-16-2018, 10:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tedzan

Hey guys

Of course we've seen more UZIT cards than BROAD LEAF 460 cards. The numbers favor this observation.
More than twice as many UZIT subjects have been confirmed than BROAD LEAF 460 subjects.
However, the scarcity factor of these two backs is very close.

.......... 28 confirmed out of a possible 35 printed

........ 58 confirmed out of a possible 74 printed

TED Z

T206 Reference
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Ted, I think Jay touched on this in his post using the pop reports and
confirmed subjects for each back.

I know using the pop reports won't be a completely accurate number because
of the crossovers, crack outs ect... but I think between the two backs they
would be close enough to give a general idea.

Uzit = SGC 119 PSA 143 Total 262 @ 58 subjects = 4.51
Broad Leaf 460 SGC 46 PSA 37 Total 83 @ 28 subjects = 2.96

If you go by these numbers the BL460's would be 41.49% scarcer
than Uzit.

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