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For me the jury is still out, however. I agree that the Quigols are considered "figurinhas" and I don't know if people in Brazil would consider these as "figurinhas" or not. I am also not sure what makes "figurinhas" worthy of being a rookie card (considering it isn't a card at all). But if you removed just the Pele card/stamp from the above and had it graded then would it qualify? If it is just whether or not it is a reputable publishing company, then we really need to know more about the Diario Noite company. Did these come in a set and were they distributed in the same was as Quigols? And if so, then would it qualify or is there still something about them that doesn't? |
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In trying to establish a date of release, from what I can tell all of the Diario Noites 'stamps' seem to be of photos from 1958. In fact, two share images of other cards printed in or near 1958 - the Balas Futebol and the Titulares #50.
Best of all, if you happen to have doubles of the Titulares but are still missing the Diario Noites 'stamp,' you could just cut out Pele's head on the Titulares and then you'd have created a home-made Diario Noites ![]() |
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Since the WC was held in June, we can - with certainty - predate the ALFA rookie card to these cards... but still likely 1958 issues, which means that many would still consider them "rookies". As mentioned in may other posts, there is a lot of data that suggests that the Quigol is a 1959 or 1960 card and many still consider than his rookie. I tend to put the Titulares album as issued prior to the World Cup as well as it does not proclaim victory anywhere and the title infers "starters". The "safest" Pele rookies to me are the ALFA, Titulares (though PSA is no longer grading them) and the VAV cards. Anyway, the rookie designation is (somewhat) in the eye of the beholder.
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Great stuff. I have no issue calling it a RC.
What is the card pictured above the one with the titulares image? That’s an awesome looking card
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![]() https://www.ebay.com/itm/PELE-1958-R...sAAOSw3npb2144
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Maybe Al can help us with this one ... |
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Really gorgeous cards either way. Has anyone seen any sales of the Pele?
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Here, I found this last night:
![]() It looks similar to the one the OP posted. If you compare them, you will also notice that the image posted by the OP looks like it was damaged by UV rays. This leads me to believe that it was probably a store window display. Again, if I got some window display from 1951 that features the New York Yankees, and I were to cut out the Mickey Mantle, do you think I could call it a 'rookie?' You Americans would laugh in my face if I did that, right? Now I do understand that it's different when it comes to soccer cards, because they were issued in other countries, and they come in all sizes and shapes, however, a lot of the old rules that were laid out by Beckett still apply. For example, for any card to be considered a 'rookie' it has to come from a set. It also has to be a base card as well. Pretty much all the vintage soccer cards that we discuss on this forum meet this criteria. Last edited by samosa4u; 11-11-2018 at 12:47 PM. |
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That auction got one bid (not mine) at 10k! While I believe this to probably be a 1958 issue, I am not 100% sure, which is why I could not bid. Given the fact that it is a homage to the 1958 winning squad, at least we know that it is AFTER the 1958 World Cup. That said, I imagine that everyone would be trying to capitalize on the victory in close proximity to the World Cup from an advertising perspective. At the very least my guess would be late 1958 or early 1959 - though I am still trying to track down the album (of which many did not have dates, anyway).
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