T206 Cobb Bat On Shoulder PSA 5 - PWCC

[bounce]

Just add this card to the altered/restored/ignore debate.

I've heard and read the arguments that the hobby has "matured", or should, to accept certain things and maybe that does make sense. I think it does, but again that needs to come with disclosure and education.

The problem, as I see it, is that these issues have not really been dealt with by the third party authenticators. Worse, there are too may instances of not consistently applying their own standards. This card is a clear example of that, and there are many many others that have been discussed on the board previously (anyone remember that Play Ball Dimaggio?).

The perceived "favoritism" (?) given to certain customers/consignors by all the other parties involved further complicates the issue. Some of it is borderline/outright "willful ignorance" in my view, all in the name of ever increasing prices.

That inconsistency alone adds to the "tremendous volatility" in prices and grading, none of which truly contributes to a healthy marketplace.

[puckpaul]

sure seems ridiculous to grade this a 5 with a crease. sure, there is disclosure here in the video and writeup, but the 5 allows for someone in the future to be tricked by this. don't like it. grading it for the crease would allow the card to be sold at whatever the market would bear, if someone wants to pay "5 prices" then, so be it, but to grade it a 5 is not right.

[Leon]

Disclosure is the main thing to me. IF I know what I am buying then all is good. Unfortunately the TPG's are human and can only catch so much. Beware of high grade, small cards. Years ago borders were bigger.

Originally Posted by bounce

Just add this card to the altered/restored/ignore debate.

I've heard and read the arguments that the hobby has "matured", or should, to accept certain things and maybe that does make sense. I think it does, but again that needs to come with disclosure and education.

The problem, as I see it, is that these issues have not really been dealt with by the third party authenticators. Worse, there are too may instances of not consistently applying their own standards. This card is a clear example of that, and there are many many others that have been discussed on the board previously (anyone remember that Play Ball Dimaggio?).

The perceived "favoritism" (?) given to certain customers/consignors by all the other parties involved further complicates the issue. Some of it is borderline/outright "willful ignorance" in my view, all in the name of ever increasing prices.

That inconsistency alone adds to the "tremendous volatility" in prices and grading, none of which truly contributes to a healthy marketplace.

[Throttlesteer]

Originally Posted by Leon

Disclosure is the main thing to me. IF I know what I am buying then all is good. Unfortunately the TPG's are human and can only catch so much. Beware of high grade, small cards. Years ago borders were bigger.

They still are on the caramels. Like little, fluffy marshmallows

[Leon]

LOL...trust me, there are short borders on caramels too.

Originally Posted by Throttlesteer

They still are on the caramels. Like little, fluffy marshmallows