New Helmar series--highly unusual--your thoughts?

[sirraffles]

If they are Helmar Ty Cobbs, etc., they are asking in the right price range.

Charles

[RedsFan1941]

would you mind including your full name in your posts. like the rules say?

[sirraffles]

Charles Mandel.

[oldjudge]

Nice looking but worthless. If you want nice pictures of players buy a book. Besides the pictures you might also learn things you didn’t know.

[clydepepper]

Originally Posted by oldjudge

Nice looking but worthless. If you want nice pictures of players buy a book. Besides the pictures you might also learn things you didn’t know.

"I like nice looking - worthless can be negotiated." - anonymous


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[sirraffles]

Sorry, I didn't catch your full name in the post. Like the rules say?

Personally, I don't buy books for the purty pictures but I understand that is all some people can handle. Charles Mandel

[oldjudge]

Perhaps you should purchase a few books; it might do you some good. I read books to learn about the history of the sport. These books usually include some great period pictures, which to me are preferable to your cards. As I said, your cards are nice looking, but I don’t think that they will ever have anything other than de minimis value. No God Bless for me?

Jay Miller

[clydepepper]

Originally Posted by oldjudge

Perhaps you should purchase a few books; it might do you some good. I read books to learn about the history of the sport. These books usually include some great period pictures, which to me are preferable to your cards. As I said, your cards are nice looking, but I don’t think that they will ever have anything other than de minimis value. No God Bless for me?

Jay Miller

Sic 'em, Jay! - and 'God Bless'


How about forgetting about books and cards for a second and donate for dogs?

[sirraffles]

Jay, a very special God Bless for you.

I have published a magazine called Baseball History & Art but I lean toward the notion that there is no such thing as an expert (with the exception, perhaps, of mathematics and related fields).

I don't quite follow your preference for a picture in a book being more enjoyable than owning a card. If you have a T206 Wagner I will trade for it in exchange for a picture of Wagner in a book. They are not the same thing at all in my view but whatever pleases. Charles Mandel

[bigfanNY]

Originally Posted by sirraffles

If they are Helmar Ty Cobbs, etc., they are asking in the right price range.

Charles

Charles:
instead of responding to my post and the fact that you know that the items you produce are used to decieve. You come back and say that "if They are Helmar Ty cobbs they are in the right price range". Well you know that statement is a lie. A quick search on Ebay brings up a couple Helmar Ty Cobb Stamps selling for $13.
Which brings up another subject Helmar did issue a series of "art Stamps" So not only are you using a name that is associated with turn if the century baseball cards you issue Stamps that can more easily fool a novice.
You point to the Doctors, Accountants and lawyers who purchase some of these items to make nice displays. And families of players who do the same. I am sure that they do appreciate the items for the images they portray. But why not clearly date these items to reduce the chance that they will cause harm. None of the folks who buy these items for the images is going to care if they are labeled responsibility.
So my point is you knowingly produce items that you know can and have been used in the past to cause harm to people. On top of that you come here and Lie. So no matter how you spin it you make a living producing items used to defraud individuals. You could easily reduce that chance but have chosen not to.

[pokerplyr80]

I'd consider buying a reprint of an actual vintage card before one of these. And that would only be to temporarily fill a hole in a set until I bought the real card. I don't get the appeal of a modern card made to look vintage and artificially aged. And I wouldn't do business with someone who comes here and posts with the attitude shown in this thread. It reminds me of the thread for the candiman auction.

[t206fix]

Love the Helmar issue for many reasons - but the best: Charles prints Moses Yellowhorse cards. I happened to have two with different backs as noted below. Kicking my self for not picking up the third one listed that just ended a few nights ago. My son asked for help with his homework 3 minutes before auction closed, and I forgot to bump my bid. The great thing about it is that there may or may not be more. I'll just have to keep looking. Kind of makes it fun. Like when I was a kid looking for a Wally Joyner RC in packs of Topps. Now it's just on ebay instead of shopping at the Piggly Wiggly.

Keep up the great work Charles! Beautiful product!

[Shoeless Moe]

Wait til some of these start showing up signed.

: )

[Shoeless Moe]

..................and authenticated!




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too soon? : )

[mrvster]

make some "TRUMP" Helmar cards

[sirraffles]

Originally Posted by bigfanNY

Charles:
instead of responding to my post and the fact that you know that the items you produce are used to decieve. You come back and say that "if They are Helmar Ty cobbs they are in the right price range". Well you know that statement is a lie. A quick search on Ebay brings up a couple Helmar Ty Cobb Stamps selling for $13.

So my point is you knowingly produce items that you know can and have been used in the past to cause harm to people. On top of that you come here and Lie. So no matter how you spin it you make a living producing items used to defraud individuals. You could easily reduce that chance but have chosen not to.

If you could detail one lie that I've said I would be grateful for the opportunity to clarify. You are just looking for a fight and that is pointless. The great irony, to me at least, is that I made the Art Stamp series in response to criticisms from this board saying that my cards were selling for "too much money". I thought that making a series that was less expensive would be welcomed but now it seems the lower prices on that series are being used as evidence that I am somehow a liar. If you were non-biased you would have mentioned that the average price on, for example, my Ty Cobb Imperial Cabinet #66 is $188.42 and the other Imperial Cobbs are somewhat lower but average at least $125. The high prices range from $331 to $405 for that series. Twenty copies of the Helmar E145 sold for an average price of $125 each. The average price for my Helmar-L3 Cobb #133 (retired for some time now) was $200.98 and #2 (similarly retired) was $221.42. And so on and on. A Helmar-T206 Cobb (mounted) sold July 31 for $472. If you see one of these cards the next time you are at your flea market I think that you should snap them up. Charles Mandel