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Old 11-28-2018, 04:49 PM
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Old 11-28-2018, 05:03 PM
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Whelp I think I found the Cicotte one. There seems to be additional minor creasing and scuffs done to the autograph version, but as we saw with the Flick this forger likes to add a few new creases from time to time. The centering of the card on the front and back are identical. And the crease on the lower right side by his hand are identical. There is even an identical crease on the back in the sweet caporal border in the lower right side. The corners of the card are identical. And both have Fact. 30 backs. Not as concrete as when I found the Rhoades, but I'm 99% certain this is it. Take a look at the links to see for yourself.

This card went from a $65 card to a $11k card.

Worthpoint link: https://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...eet-1817520994

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https://huntauctions.com/live/imagev...=222&lot_qual=
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Old 11-28-2018, 05:07 PM
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is anyone checking their 1933'S, exhibits, play balls, other tobacco, etc?
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Old 11-28-2018, 05:11 PM
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Whelp I think I found the Cicotte one. There seems to be additional minor creasing and scuffs done to the autograph version, but as we saw with the Flick this forger likes to add a few new creases from time to time The centering of the card on the front and back are identical. And the crease on the lower left side by his hand are identical. So are the corners of the card. And both have Fact. 30 backs. Not as concrete as when I found the Rhoades, but I'm 99% certain this is it. Take a look at the links to see for yourself.

This card went from a $65 card to a $11k card.

Worthpoint link: https://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...eet-1817520994

Hunt Auctions link:
https://huntauctions.com/live/imagev...=222&lot_qual=
That scan is blurry so I can't tell for sure. I was looking at that same Cicotte card on Worthpoint earlier today and just wasn't 100% sure on it.
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Old 11-28-2018, 05:30 PM
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The Flick was purchased from Scott by the same buyer.

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Old 11-28-2018, 05:32 PM
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The Flick was purchased from Scott by the same buyer.

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This is a full blown scandal now.

At this point, board members should insist that SGC, PSA, and JSA immediately search their records for all cert #'s submitted by this forger and issue an immediate hobby-wide recall notice on each cert, and post it here.
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Old 11-28-2018, 05:42 PM
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This is really shitty. I’m currently investigating several fabricated T206 errors that are graded and have sold for up to 11k at auctioN.
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This is really shitty. I’m currently investigating several fabricated T206 errors that are graded and have sold for up to 11k at auctioN.
Chris, are you referring to ghost images and anomalies like that? If so, have you found anything yet (saw the Cobb ghost card).
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This is a full blown scandal now.

At this point, board members should insist that SGC, PSA, and JSA immediately search their records for all cert #'s submitted by this forger and issue an immediate hobby-wide recall notice on each cert, and post it here.
Agreed. And the auction houses which sold these frauds need to start contacting their consigners and the winners of these bad lots.
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Old 11-28-2018, 05:40 PM
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The Flick was purchased from Scott by the same buyer.

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Looks like the same buyer also bought a Shaw, Murray, and a Crawford in the same transaction with Scott. UGH.
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Old 11-28-2018, 05:54 PM
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Picked up this Marquard 2 months ago in PWCC, my only signed T206 HOFer. JSA LOA is a little over a year old, and it sold at Huggins shortly after. Similar slant to the originally posted Marquard, however slightly different sig.

If it's not genuine, curious if it may have previously sold in an A holder? Huggins had disclosed the card as being trimmed.

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THIS many 206 and nobody here has sold the buyer any?
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Old 11-28-2018, 06:27 PM
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Looks like the same buyer also bought a Shaw, Murray, and a Crawford in the same transaction with Scott. UGH.
Always wondered why we don’t see any attempts to forge a Shaw - he died in the 1970s and has six letters in his name! Wonder if it got rejected.

The Murray is highly relevant to me as I have one of those signed which I bought in Hunt (shown above).
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Always wondered why we don’t see any attempts to forge a Shaw - he died in the 1970s and has six letters in his name! Wonder if it got rejected.

The Murray is highly relevant to me as I have one of those signed which I bought in Hunt (shown above).
The TPA's should know the name and location of this forger.

We hereby demand that they release his name so that he may be tarred and feathered on the public square for all to see.
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Old 11-28-2018, 06:35 PM
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This was in the Heritage Dec 2016 Auction. How the hell was this authenticated? Forgery or not, this doesn't look anything like Marquard's signature. Not even his supposed wife's signature.

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Old 11-28-2018, 07:23 PM
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Whelp I think I found the Cicotte one. There seems to be additional minor creasing and scuffs done to the autograph version, but as we saw with the Flick this forger likes to add a few new creases from time to time. The centering of the card on the front and back are identical. And the crease on the lower left side by his hand are identical. So are the corners of the card. And both have Fact. 30 backs. Not as concrete as when I found the Rhoades, but I'm 99% certain this is it. Take a look at the links to see for yourself.

This card went from a $65 card to a $11k card.
I was the underbidder on that one. I’ve never been so happy to be outbid.
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Old 11-28-2018, 08:59 PM
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Whelp I think I found the Cicotte one. There seems to be additional minor creasing and scuffs done to the autograph version, but as we saw with the Flick this forger likes to add a few new creases from time to time. The centering of the card on the front and back are identical. And the crease on the lower right side by his hand are identical. There is even an identical crease on the back in the sweet caporal border in the lower right side. The corners of the card are identical. And both have Fact. 30 backs. Not as concrete as when I found the Rhoades, but I'm 99% certain this is it. Take a look at the links to see for yourself.

This card went from a $65 card to a $11k card.

Worthpoint link: https://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...eet-1817520994

Hunt Auctions link:
https://huntauctions.com/live/imagev...=222&lot_qual=
I'm now 100% convinced that this is the Cicotte card. I just noticed that there is also a crease in the lower left side of the card too that matches the auto version. And since we now have several examples where the forger added his own scuffs and creases, this card has to be the one.
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I'm now 100% convinced that this is the Cicotte card. I just noticed that there is also a crease in the lower left side of the card too that matches the auto version. And since we now have several examples where the forger added his own scuffs and creases, this card has to be the one.
Strange that this forger had the foresight to add extra wear in order to disguise the card, yet at the same time, be so reckless in signing other cards with easily identifiable surface features.

Possible 2nd, unrelated forger?
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Who knows - you might get lucky and find one personalized "To Pete". The least you can do is ask.
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