Fake Signed T206 Cards (Too Many to List in the Title, See First Post for List)

[egbeachley]

Has this site matured? The net54baseball site I know would have put the culprits name out there first and then consider guilt vs innocence.

[1treasuretrove]

I imagine a lot of folks keep checking back to see if the user ID was posted. I bet this group here could sweep the feedback history and find another couple dozen cards to add to the list. Interesting to watch this develop...

[1treasuretrove]

Sorry, edited to say: any chance to put sales prices on the page 1 post? A running rally would be good to see how big this fraud is becoming.

[tazdmb]

I feel horrible that this is happening and as an advanced autograph collector hope the perpetrator is caught....but-we all know about Coaches Corner and people like Anthony Nurse/Charity Grows. When the person is ousted, what makes you think any real financial harm will come to this guy (or girl I suppose) when the others are still selling forgeries in plain sight?

[Tabe]

This is such an unfortunate, terrible turn of events. What a mess.

That said, like a couple earlier posters mentioned, this is one reason of the reasons I have always avoided autographed cards/balls (the other being that autographs simply don't appeal to me). The sheer number of autographed T206s has to be a major concern though.

As for trusting TPGs, I am reminded of a story I read once regarding PSA. There was some card show where PSA was setup for on-site card grading and autograph authentication. Someone at the show got an autograph from a guest at the show, walked over to PSA, and tried to get the autograph authenticated. PSA rejected it as not real.

On a lighter note: Where 3rd Bass Pete from Hauls of Shame when you need him?

On a more serious note: For all his flaws, Pete did a ton of work hammering on fakes and fraudulent autographs over the years.

[sgbernard]

Man oh man, work kept me from checking the board in a bit, and I come back to find this. Amazing detective work by the Net54 community. This is just a really awful thing for our members with these cards.

[Fred]

Any way to check the three cards in this thread? There's a McGraw (YOD = 1934) and Jennings (YOD = 1928), which would make those fairly tough signatures, let alone on T206 cards.

These are in the BST and I'm pretty sure the guy selling them is not trying to scam anyone. These are indicated to have been purchased in the 1980s.

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=261927

[swarmee]

Originally Posted by Tabe

On a lighter note: Where 3rd Bass Pete from Hauls of Shame when you need him?

You must have missed the post where Leon said links to his site were not allowable on Net54.

[Fred]

Originally Posted by swarmee

You must have missed the post where Leon said links to his site were not allowable on Net54.

No link in the post.

John, I'd be willing to guess that Chris didn't see the thread, it's dropped pretty quickly -

Chris, here's a link to the post.

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=262689

[Tabe]

Originally Posted by swarmee

You must have missed the post where Leon said links to his site were not allowable on Net54.

Didn't leave a link, was just bringing a little levity.

[Marchillo]

Originally Posted by Tabe

As for trusting TPGs, I am reminded of a story I read once regarding PSA. There was some card show where PSA was setup for on-site card grading and autograph authentication. Someone at the show got an autograph from a guest at the show, walked over to PSA, and tried to get the autograph authenticated. PSA rejected it as not real.

While this goes to show the flaws in their opinion, this is actually a bit comforting (where really no comfort can come from this thread).

I get a few autos every year at the MAB show in Cooperstown. You go through the hotel, come out the back, then go to the front of the building again to get a cert from JSA. They didn’t watch the item get signed, they don’t ask for proof of the signing ticket, and they only look at the item to verify the signer and inscription. This process takes less than a minute to complete and is an excercise in book keeping rather than authentication. Whose to say that a guy signing at that show has a high price (Randy Johnson) and someone walks up with 5 decent fakes. Those are all most likely getting stickers and a cert card.

When I got my Montana Jersey signed at Shriners I brought it to PSA. They did bring the jersey out back for about 5 minutes and then it came out with a cert. I didn’t watch what they did but the process was super quick.

Point being as an autograph collector these types of things are concerning and essentially certs can be handed out on items that don’t even go through a process. Even if these processes are flawed (as we see they are).

[mordecaibrown]

[QUOTE=Marchillo;1831942]While this goes to show the flaws in their opinion, this is actually a bit comforting (where really no comfort can come from this thread).

I get a few autos every year at the MAB show in Cooperstown. You go through the hotel, come out the back, then go to the front of the building again to get a cert from JSA. They didn’t watch the item get signed, they don’t ask for proof of the signing ticket, and they only look at the item to verify the signer and inscription. This process takes less than a minute to complete and is an excercise in book keeping rather than authentication. Whose to say that a guy signing at that show has a high price (Randy Johnson) and someone walks up with 5 decent fakes. Those are all most likely getting stickers and a cert card.



I saw this exsct same thing at the exact same show in 2012 (so it’s been the process there for years) and thought the exact same thing. I decided on that day that I would only collect autographs that I received in person. I am not an autograph collector (just get a few players I wanted), so I do not study the autographs enough to provide me with the knowledge to identify fakes versus real. And I’ve

But, at this point, it appears there are a plethora of fakes “authenticated” and, I assume, these fakes are now used as exemplars. I just don’t know how anyone knows what’s real or fake at this point (obviously the “authenticators” don’t) unless you see player sign it with your eyes or have iron clad provenance. I feel like operation bullpen fell on deaf ears and the “romanticism” of owning a signed pre-war card blinded peoples rationale thought!

In reference to a few people’s comments about this not being isolated to T206s, I completely agree; however, I think it will be more difficult to pinpoint the before and after of these other series. When I go to card shows, dealers have binders of low grade common 1933 Goudey cards (perfect for this forgery scam); so I think it is less likely cards from other series will have a fingerprint copy on internet.

Lastly, I feel horrible for everyone that got burned in this scam and hope that they receive retribution (REA response speaks volumes to me on why many consider them an industry leader) and incredible work by Manny in trusting his gut when he smelled a rat!!!

@ndy k3nn3dy

[Republicaninmass]

Sorry but

Sportscard Guarantee

Wtf is the guarantee if they are clearly wrong?