T206 HOF tiers

Yoda · #1 12-07-2018, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by trdcrdkid

I agree that there's no way Eddie Collins belongs in a tier with Lajoie. He's treated as a mid-tier HOFer by the market, despite his great stats. Below are the current SMR prices for a PSA 5 of each T206 card of these players, grouped by the OP's suggested tiers. Clearly Cobb is in a class of his own, followed by Young and WaJo. Matty could arguably go in that second tier as well, and Speaker is not far behind. After that comes Lajoie, then Tinker-Evers-Chance, then (arguably) one tier containing the rest of these players, including Collins. Some other players would also belong in that tier, like Home Run Baker ($450 for a PSA 5, higher than Collins). Of course, SMR prices don't necessarily correspond directly to the market (you could probably double most of them), but they seem to be a reasonably accurate measure of relative value.

Cobb green: 15,000
Cobb red: 5,750
Cobb bat on: 5,750
Cobb bat off: 5,500

Young portrait: 3,500
Young bare hand: 1,950
Young glove: 1,750
WaJo portrait: 3,000
WaJo hands at chest: 1,650

Matty portrait: 3,000
Matty white cap: 1,750
Matty dark cap: 1,350
Speaker: 1,350

Lajoie portrait: 750
Lajoie bat: 625
Lajoie throwing: 550
E. Collins: 425

M. Brown Cubs: 485
M. Brown portrait: 475
M. Brown Chicago: 425
Walsh: 525
Joss portrait: 500
Joss hands at chest: 425
Keeler portrait: 650
Keeler bat: 550
Wheat: 500
Chesbro: 450

Crawford throwing 400
Crawford bat: 375
Bender portrait: 450
Bender trees: 400
Bender no trees: 375
Tinker portrait: 700
Tinker knees: 600
Tinker bat off: 495
Tinker bat on: 495
Evers portrait: 575
Evers Cubs: 515
Evers Chicago: 490
Chance yellow: 575
Chance red: 550
Chance batting: 450

I have to wonder what the SMR prices for these same players will look like a year from now. My own gut tells me flat or declined.

ccre · #2 12-07-2018, 09:24 PM

Definitely Waddell would be in a tier higher than common HOFer.

Leon · #3 12-09-2018, 07:40 AM

That is a good guess. I think slightly higher except for autographed ones.

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Originally Posted by Yoda

I have to wonder what the SMR prices for these same players will look like a year from now. My own gut tells me flat or declined.

PiratesWS1979 · #4 12-09-2018, 08:12 AM

This is how I would rank...or at least how I collect.

1. Cobb
2. a. Johnson b. Mathewson c. Young
3. a. Speaker b. Lajoie
4. a. Brown b. Keeler c. Collins d. Waddell
5. a. Walsh b. Crawford c. Joss
6. Tinker to Evers to Chance
7. Everyone else

Bigdaddy · #5 12-09-2018, 12:55 PM

If Wagner had been produced in the same numbers as Cobb or others on the list, where would he rank? Equal to Cobb? I would put him no lower than #2, along with Young, Johnson and Matty.

Throttlesteer · #6 12-09-2018, 01:15 PM

Its hard to separate the allure of the Wagner card from the player. But, Speaker was comparable and his T206 is a rookie. I would give Wagner a slight nod over Speaker, but most consider Speaker a distant tier 3.

rats60 · #7 12-09-2018, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Throttlesteer

Its hard to separate the allure of the Wagner card from the player. But, Speaker was comparable and his T206 is a rookie. I would give Wagner a slight nod over Speaker, but most consider Speaker a distant tier 3.

If you look at the 1915 Cracker Jack set, Wagner is 3rd behind Shoeless Joe and Cobb, above Wajo and Matty and about 6 times more valuable than Speaker. If Wagner had 3 or 4 cards they would slot in behind Cobb. If he just had the 1 portrait, he would be about the same as the green Cobb.

Throttlesteer · #8 12-09-2018, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by rats60

If you look at the 1915 Cracker Jack set, Wagner is 3rd behind Shoeless Joe and Cobb, above Wajo and Matty and about 6 times more valuable than Speaker. If Wagner had 3 or 4 cards they would slot in behind Cobb. If he just had the 1 portrait, he would be about the same as the green Cobb.

I would still argue that Wagner's card values get a significant bump from his T206.

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