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12-15-2018, 02:36 PM
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Jimmie Foxx and Rogers Hornsby
For a 6 year period Hornsby was better than anyone in the game.
He put up Cobb numbers but with power. Jimmie Foxx to me, is by far the most undervalued in the hobby. Just take a good look at his career stats. He deserves so much better than this hobby gives demand for his cards. Last edited by aloondilana; 12-15-2018 at 02:40 PM. 
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12-15-2018, 02:55 PM
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Lefty Grove, Bill Terry, Al Simmons
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12-15-2018, 04:06 PM
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Jimmie Foxx.
You could argue he was the greatest player of the 1930s. And yes, possibly better than Lou Gehrig during that era.
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12-15-2018, 07:20 PM
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Jim Palmer
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12-15-2018, 07:27 PM
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Lefty O’Doul 4th highest batting average all time.
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http://www.collectorfocus.com/collection/kdixon Last edited by kdixon; 12-15-2018 at 07:33 PM. Reason: Add picture
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12-15-2018, 07:40 PM
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12-16-2018, 07:12 AM
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Gehrig 73.3 Foxx 65.9 Ott 63.0 Gehringer 56.2 Arky Vaughan 48.0 Now if you want to add in Foxx's 39 season, it looks closer because Gehrig was fighting ASK, but it is Gehrig and it isn't close. I will throw out Arky Vaughan. He comes in at #5 and he wasn't in the majors in 1930 & 1931 (age 18-19). Bill James has him as the #2 SS all time with a 136 OPS + which is unreal for the position. However, he is collected as a low level Hofer. Eddie Collins and GC Alexander for the pre- Goudey era. For Post WAR Ted Williams, Stan Musial, Willie Mays, Tom Seaver and Johnny Bench are underappreciated to me.
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12-16-2018, 09:41 AM
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rats, that's a great observation about Seaver. Aside from his rookie card, Seaver is affordable and almost never mentioned among greats of the game.
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12-16-2018, 04:27 PM
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From my perspective it is John Ward. If you ask me to name the most important people in 19th century baseball I would say Al Spalding, John Ward, Harry Wright and Henry Chadwick, in that order. Ward was a great pitcher who threw the second perfect game in NL history. After he threw out his arm he became an all star shortstop, batting third for the power laden N Y Giant lineup that also had Ewing, Connor and O’Rourke. He married Helen Dauvray who donated the trophy, The Dauvray Cup, that was awarded to the champion of baseball from 1887-1893. He organized and was President of the player’s union, and orchestrated the formation of the Player’s League. While a player with the Giants he received his law degree at Columbia. After his baseball career was over he provided legal advice to players and, in his spare time, managed to become a champion golfer.
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12-16-2018, 08:18 PM
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and Tom Seaver - I modeled my 'drop-n-drive' delivery on his. Enjoyed watching Huddy do it too.
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12-17-2018, 12:58 PM
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any Jim Shaw Senators (1913-1921) autographs out there?
If anyone in the vintage collecting community can identify a Jim Shaw autograph (signed cut, government card, album page) of the Senators ("Grunting" Jim Shaw" 1913-1921) out there it would be appreciated.. they seem to be almost non-existent although Shaw lived to 1962.. let me know if you have one in your collection..thank you
Billy Hamilton (sliding Billy Hamilton) is obviously a rare Hall of Fame autograph and was part of dead ball era (he died in 1940) but given his involvement in business and real estate in Mass. there must be some autographs out there or a signed letter or official document..
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12-17-2018, 02:03 PM
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Prewar: Billy Sunday
Postwar: Bill White / Curt Flood
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12-17-2018, 03:12 PM
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Top 26 all time WAR list that seem underappreciated ( I had to include #26 because my initial thought was WTF? 26th in career WAR?
#9 Rogers Hornsby #10 Eddie Colins #16 Mel Ott #18 Frank Robinson #20 Joe Morgan #23 Carl Yastrzemski #26 Adrian Beltre My favorite Crawford comes in at 47 on the top 50...but no one pay attention so I can get some of his stuff on the cheap 
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12-17-2018, 03:49 PM
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Frank Robinson I have always felt was underappreciated given his stats in a post-war hobby that sometimes seems to drool on Mantle, Mays, Williams, Aaron, and Clemente as if they were the only marquee names.
Another just for me personally is Roy Campanella. When I first started collecting old cards as a kid in the 1980's, you heard a lot more about him. He still routinely turns up along with Hartnett, Cochrane, Dickey, Berra, Bench, Fisk, Piazza et al. in the GOAT debates for catcher - but it doesn't seem like a ton of folks out there collect him. If you consider a career that was cut short on both ends - it was actually cut shorter by his delay into the majors on the front side of his career than it was the accident at the end of it, I believe - then I think he really does qualify as one of the greatest players - even though his stats don't necessarily show it. I guess there is also the factor of Jackie Robinson - if you are going after the historical aspect of trailblazing Brooklyn Dodgers - you are probably going to lean towards Robinson over Campy.
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12-20-2018, 06:53 PM
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Pre-war, I'd have to go with Foxx and Hornsby, although RATS 60 is right that Foxx is behind Gehrig by all rational sabermetric measures. But Hornsby--three .400 seasons with good to great power, .358 lifetime BA and two triple crowns (yes I know that NL league batting averages were .280 or better during Hornsby's rein as the NL's best hitter, but still)!!! Best holiday wishes to all, Larry Last edited by ls7plus; 12-20-2018 at 06:55 PM.
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