T5 Pinkerton On A Paper Mount? AUT?

bigfish · #1 12-26-2018, 11:49 PM

Horseshit. PSA screwed up unless you can mount a photo to anything and send it to psa?

Baseball Rarities · #2 12-27-2018, 12:19 AM

Not sure if they were originally issued with paper mounts, but I have seen them pop up before. I think that Clean Sweep had a group before and here are a few that REA had:

https://www.robertedwardauctions.com...et-collection/

https://www.robertedwardauctions.com...02-addie-joss/

itslarry · #3 12-27-2018, 06:33 AM

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Originally Posted by bigfish

Horseshit. PSA screwed up unless you can mount a photo to anything and send it to psa?

Is this on psa?

ullmandds · #4 12-27-2018, 07:01 AM

not sure if these were issued this way or not...but PSA graded it A...which the T5 appears to be...and they say paper mount...which it is...so I don't see the problem????

Leon · #5 12-27-2018, 07:47 AM

+1.. I call total BS too.
My guess is the photos came off of real cardboard mounts, or are W530s, and someone stuck them on paper, not Pinkerton. Until I see proof of an ad or something as to why they did it I just don't believe it. Maybe I am wrong but don't think so.

Personally, I think PSA just made this crap up or took it as a Paul Bunyan story from the web and made it true.
This W530 has a blank back. Check out the flip and tell me what that means?
I am going to paste it on styrofoam and send it to them as a styrofoam mount T5. Then maybe we can stick one on some bubble wrap and have that kind of mount. That would be cool. They look kind of amateurish to me.

That all said the one on ebay doesn't look like a real photo so I truly hope my thoughts aren't correct. Anyone seen Dan Desmond lately or know if these came from him?

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Originally Posted by bigfish

Horseshit. PSA screwed up unless you can mount a photo to anything and send it to psa?

glynparson · #6 12-27-2018, 08:05 AM

T5 most definitely came on both paper and cardboard mounts. Some people need to go learn a few things before calling something bull shot. They have been known to have paper mounts for decades. Shocked Leon didn’t know this. Plenty of screw ups by tpg but obviously some of those that scream about tpgs don’t know as much as they act like they do ( not directed at Leon) I have been buying Pinkerton for a long time and have owned over 50 different in my life including several paper mounts that came from out of hobby collections. PSA and sgc both grade paper mounts and I believe bvg does as well

Leon · #7 12-27-2018, 08:11 AM

Why did they come on paper mounts? I had never even seen one until these which is fine as I definitely haven't seen everything. But it doesn't make sense. And what is your thought on the W530 flip i posted?

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Originally Posted by glynparson

T5 most definitely came on both paper and cardboard mounts. Some people need to go learn a few things before calling something bull shot. They have been known to have paper mounts for decades. Shocked Leon didn�t know this. Plenty of screw ups by tpg but obviously some of those that scream about tpgs don�t know as much as they act like they do ( not directed at Leon) I have been buying Pinkerton for a long time and have owned over 50 different in my life including several paper mounts that came from out of hobby collections. PSA and sgc both grade paper mounts and I believe bvg does as well

glynparson · #8 12-27-2018, 08:14 AM

I believe they ran out of the nice mounts from what I have been told and some of the last issues came on paper. They are just like the nice mounts in that they come in several colors. It really is an odd set with tons of idiosyncrasies (sp?). I will look at your other post to se what I think about it.

Leon · #9 12-27-2018, 08:19 AM

Personally I think that story comes from the REA write up from 8 yrs ago .... What about it not being a real photo?

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Originally Posted by glynparson

I believe they ran out of the nice mounts from what I have been told and some of the last issues came on paper. They are just like the nice mounts in that they come in several colors. It really is an odd set with tons of idiosyncrasies (sp?). I will look at your other post to se what I think about it.

bigfish · #10 12-27-2018, 08:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by glynparson

T5 most definitely came on both paper and cardboard mounts. Some people need to go learn a few things before calling something bull shot. They have been known to have paper mounts for decades. Shocked Leon didn�t know this. Plenty of screw ups by tpg but obviously some of those that scream about tpgs don�t know as much as they act like they do ( not directed at Leon) I have been buying Pinkerton for a long time and have owned over 50 different in my life including several paper mounts that came from out of hobby collections. PSA and sgc both grade paper mounts and I believe bvg does as well

Hi Glynn, I stand by my post. I don�t think either of us were there when they made these and having them pasted onto several different shades of paper is odd to me. If you have research you could provide us that would be great.

I certainly could be wrong. Just my guy opinion. Not en expert in T5s.

I also don�t think there is any upside to put these in holders. Someone could mistake these for the real deal and overpay which would be unfortunate and possibly the intended end game. There are some unscrupulous people in this hobby.

Warm regards,

T0by

Jobu · #11 12-27-2018, 11:01 AM

So, T5s are real photos but W530s aren't?

jeffmohler · #12 12-27-2018, 11:45 AM

I have owned T5s on paper mounts (almost like construction paper) and on the thicker stock mounts. I am not sure that we can definitely state that the paper mounts were issued by the Pinkerton Company, but with the number in the hobby, I think that they were cheaper mounts made at the end of the production run.

W530s are not real photos. Leon's Fred Clarke is a PSA labeling error. I have just about a complete set of the w530s and a number of dupes. I have been thinking of doing some kind of article on the interesting issues involved in this set.

Not to confuse the issue, but there is a Pinkerton subset that consists of Real Photo Postcards. So far only A's have been definitely identified, but I can't say with authority that there are not others. This subset is quite scarce.

Leon · #13 12-27-2018, 01:55 PM

Thanks for chiming in Jeff. I think it is plausible the thin paper mount T5s are legitimate and just as plausible they aren't. Until I see evidence they were produced by Pinkerton, or other ironclad evidence, I am not in that camp. Just my opinion on that.
However, the one posted in the link in the first post looks to be a photo engraved card, such as a skinned W530, and not a real photo?
One of the most experienced people I know in the hobby, who has no doubt looked at more vintage cards than almost anyone on this board. saw the linked auction and said "yuck" from the online picture. The Pinkerton RPPCs are some of my favorite cards...all of these are the same size in person.

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Originally Posted by jeffmohler

I have owned T5s on paper mounts (almost like construction paper) and on the thicker stock mounts. I am not sure that we can definitely state that the paper mounts were issued by the Pinkerton Company, but with the number in the hobby, I think that they were cheaper mounts made at the end of the production run.

W530s are not real photos. Leon's Fred Clarke is a PSA labeling error. I have just about a complete set of the w530s and a number of dupes. I have been thinking of doing some kind of article on the interesting issues involved in this set.

Not to confuse the issue, but there is a Pinkerton subset that consists of Real Photo Postcards. So far only A's have been definitely identified, but I can't say with authority that there are not others. This subset is quite scarce.

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