Are the "T213-1" (1910 COUPON) cards really T206's ? ....I think so....What say you ?

tedzan · #1 12-28-2018, 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by T205 GB

I say yes the Coupon Type 1's are part of the T206 set. The Type 2&3's are part of a completely different company. I have explained below how I came up with this "crazy" notion.
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"W. R. Irby, New Orleans factory #3 was owned by two different companies at two separate times. Due to this, cards produced before the ATC dissolution, mid 1910, were produced for distribution in the T206 advertising campaign. The cards produced between 1914-1919 were part of another brand and thus would be forced to change designs significantly enough as to not violate copyright laws of the time".

Andrew

Great to hear from you. You have said a lot in your post; and, your last paragraph very succinctly summarizes the situation regarding the difference
between the 1910 COUPON cards vs. the T213-2 and T213-3 sets.

American Lithographic (ALC) printed all these white-bordered cards from 1909-1919, and it's apparent that after the ATC divesture (circa mid 1911),
ALC replaced the Brown ink captions with BLUE ink captions on the following T-cards...�

Liggett & Meyers��
COUPON Tobacco
T213-2 (1914-1916)
T213-3 (1916-1919)

VICTORY Tobacco
T214 (1915)

P. Lorillard�...RED CROSS
T215-2 (1912-1913)

TED Z

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barrysloate · #2 12-28-2018, 10:53 AM

As I've said before, if the Coupons were issued only in a single series, it would have been an easy decision for Burdick to group them with T206. But because there were three series, he had to make a decision and chose to classify the three as T213.

I do think the Type 1's are in spirit T206's, but as Leon pointed out they have been catalogued as T213's since the beginning and we can't arbitrarily change the ACC. However, if we could somehow take a time machine back and converse with Burdick, he would surely say that his work isn't gospel and is subject to corrections and reappraisal.

If somebody wanted to take the entire ACC and reevaluate the classifications, I think that would make for an amazing project. I have to think collectively the current hobby knows everything that Burdick knew, plus a lot more.

frankbmd · #3 12-28-2018, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by barrysloate

As I've said before, if the Coupons were issued only in a single series, it would have been an easy decision for Burdick to group them with T206. But because there were three series, he had to make a decision and chose to classify the three as T213.

I do think the Type 1's are in spirit T206's, but as Leon pointed out they have been catalogued as T213's since the beginning and we can't arbitrarily change the ACC. However, if we could somehow take a time machine back and converse with Burdick, he would surely say that his work isn't gospel and is subject to corrections and reappraisal.

If somebody wanted to take the entire ACC and reevaluate the classifications, I think that would make for an amazing project. I have to think collectively the current hobby knows everything that Burdick knew, plus a lot more.

My father worked at Crouse-Hinds Electric Co. in Syracuse, NY when Burdick was also working there. To the best of my knowledge they never had this discussion.

tedzan · #4 12-28-2018, 08:01 PM

Here are some of my 1910 COUPON cards that have been graded, and others that should be graded. The Grading Co.'s are very tough
on these cards. Especially, my Chance which I figured would get a PSA 3 (or perhaps even a 4).

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So, anyone here would like to venture a guess as to what grade this Willett will get ?

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Hey guys
How's about joining in on this show....so show your 1910 COUPON cards. Condition is immaterial. Although, I'd like to see one with a Vg-Ex grade (or better).

TED Z

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DeanH3 · #5 12-28-2018, 09:26 PM

Rhotchkiss · #6 12-28-2018, 11:09 PM

Wow, great Chance and great Matty!

sb1 · #7 12-29-2018, 06:51 AM

The nicest one I have owned and the only one I have left for a type.

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