60's and 70's raw craziness

Promethius88 · #1 01-06-2019, 11:21 AM

I have been happy with the cards I've purchased from GMC, the majority are 61 Topps. I generally only look at the NM-MT or better that are centered. It's tough getting any of those at a good price but I'm ok with that. Just have to watch out and not pay over PSA 8 prices. What I have found that I need to watch out for is that there are some cards that may have a fish eye, or some other minute defect but otherwise garners the grade they have listed.
I can also say that because of the positive experiences I've had with them I sent 700+ cards to be sold. I have about 450 listed that end this week so we'll see how it goes. I have no clue about the other 250 cards that didn't get listed but I'm sure I'll find out why.
Now, I'm not judging one way or another and as a seller you typically think your cards grade higher than what you would as a buyer, lol. I do think some of my cards were listed at grades lower then they would receive at a tpg. But, that is also why they get the prices they do.
My final "curiosity" is how much of the stuff they see is theirs and how much of it is actually consigned? No big deal either way, just curious because of the amount of high grade raw they have.

#2 01-06-2019, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Promethius88

I have been happy with the cards I've purchased from GMC, the majority are 61 Topps. I generally only look at the NM-MT or better that are centered. It's tough getting any of those at a good price but I'm ok with that. Just have to watch out and not pay over PSA 8 prices. What I have found that I need to watch out for is that there are some cards that may have a fish eye, or some other minute defect but otherwise garners the grade they have listed.
I can also say that because of the positive experiences I've had with them I sent 700+ cards to be sold. I have about 450 listed that end this week so we'll see how it goes. I have no clue about the other 250 cards that didn't get listed but I'm sure I'll find out why.
Now, I'm not judging one way or another and as a seller you typically think your cards grade higher than what you would as a buyer, lol. I do think some of my cards were listed at grades lower then they would receive at a tpg. But, that is also why they get the prices they do.
My final "curiosity" is how much of the stuff they see is theirs and how much of it is actually consigned? No big deal either way, just curious because of the amount of high grade raw they have.

I have wondered how that all works. Let us know what results you find.

jchcollins · #3 01-10-2019, 07:30 AM

Amazing what a quality detailed scan can do. I think in this day in age of rushed, crappy cell phone quality pictures, they can and do sometimes stand out. I would never be able to sell raw cards like those for a fraction of the price of a PSA 7 or above, but good for the people who can.

Sportscards1086 · #4 01-11-2019, 07:20 AM

What does GMC stand for?

Thanks in advance.

David

vintagebaseballcardguy · #5 01-11-2019, 07:21 AM

Greg Morris Cards

SOX75 · #6 01-11-2019, 09:14 AM

I've noticed this crazy phenomenon lately too. I saw the Robinson card when it sold. On 1/6/19 GMC sold a NM, raw copy of a 1971 Willie Davis, high number common, for $237.06. I don't believe there is anything particularly rare about this card.

Ending tonight, GMC has a VG-VG/EX copy of the 1970 Nolan Ryan that is currently at $102.50. You can buy already graded PSA 5 copies of that card for about that price.

vintagebaseballcardguy · #7 01-11-2019, 09:35 AM

Yeah, it's nuts. Pure speculation is to blame. Someone sees an ungraded card on ebay and thinks, "If that would grade a 9..." If you want a raw set, it is cheaper to buy them graded and crack them out than it is to try and buy raw these days..at least for high grade sets. Also, it seems no one wants graded commons these days anyway.

BruceinGa · #8 01-12-2019, 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Promethius88

I have been happy with the cards I've purchased from GMC, the majority are 61 Topps. I generally only look at the NM-MT or better that are centered. It's tough getting any of those at a good price but I'm ok with that.

I agree. I recently bid on 75, trying not to go over psa 8 prices, and only won 6 cards.

conor912 · #9 01-12-2019, 08:48 AM

PWCC has gotten almost entirely out of the raw game. We all have different opinions, but I think it's pretty hard to argue that eBay isn't king when it comes to the overall hobby's preference for acquisition. It was only a matter of time before someone reputable stepped in to fill the raw niche. Whether it's raw collecors or treasure hunters looking for tpg gold, I have no idea....but likely a mix as has been mentioned. My point being that, as much as possible, taming the wild west of raw cards on eBay is a ripe opportunity for the right seller with the right reputation and marketing.

Yastrzemski Sports · #10 01-12-2019, 09:22 AM

A year and a half ago I was trying to complete a 1972 Topps set. I gave up online and picked them up at shows. The two I could not land were the Murcer- which I was losing at $30+ and the Tim Foli IA which I would quit at $20. I�m not sure what was going on at the time but those two were going for crazy money. I think I picked up both at a show under $20.

conor912 · #11 01-12-2019, 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Yastrzemski Sports

A year and a half ago I was trying to complete a 1972 Topps set. I gave up online and picked them up at shows. The two I could not land were the Murcer- which I was losing at $30+ and the Tim Foli IA which I would quit at $20. I�m not sure what was going on at the time but those two were going for crazy money. I think I picked up both at a show under $20.

That was the set that broke me in my quest for a Topps run. What a beast.

Yastrzemski Sports · #12 01-13-2019, 06:12 AM

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Originally Posted by conor912

That was the set that broke me in my quest for a Topps run. What a beast.

It�s a good thing you stopped there before getting to sets like 71 and 70 and god forbid you got to 67 and 66.

JollyElm · #13 01-13-2019, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Yastrzemski Sports

A year and a half ago I was trying to complete a 1972 Topps set. I gave up online and picked them up at shows. The two I could not land were the Murcer- which I was losing at $30+ and the Tim Foli IA which I would quit at $20. I�m not sure what was going on at the time but those two were going for crazy money. I think I picked up both at a show under $20.

As a 1972 set aficionado, I can certainly offer some insight into the high cost of the Tim Foli IA card. It is nearly impossible to find one nicely centered, without a tilt, etc., so graded versions of it (say PSA 8 or 9) with decent centering have extremely high asking prices as compared to other lowly commons. So ebay sellers probably see the sold prices and put a premium on their cards, even though the ones they are listing are way O/C and don't share the same characteristics as the ones sold. Murcer is somewhat similar (although he was also a high numbered star in New York at a time when the Yanks had virtually nothing) in that his card is very 'tilt-centric.' Finding a centered, straight one is tough. Even a quick look at many PSA 9's shows a defined tilt to the card. If you only see what #699's sold for and don't assess the specific attributes of said cards, you come to the conclusion that the card itself is 'rare' and your asking price takes an elevator upstairs.

buymycards · #14 01-19-2019, 02:25 AM

I recently completed a 1971 baseball set. The prices for decent cards on eBay are very high. I had an especially difficult time finding a nice looking, centered, #544 Vida Blue for under $20. This card books at $2.50 in EX condition. Another high priced card is #709, the Dusty Baker Rookie. This is a high numbered card, and it books at $37 in EX, but it is impossible to find one for close to $37.

I was able to buy a few hundred NM commons from a board member, which gave me a good start to the set, and I picked up many of the stars and high numbers by buying lots, but finishing out the last 20-30 one at a time got pretty expensive. It seems that card show dealers and card shop owners realize that the prices are rising for these cards, because I wasn't able to find many bargains at shows and shops. Off condition cards are still pretty cheap, so someone could put a set together in VG without a lot of expense.

nolemmings · #15 01-19-2019, 12:17 PM

Well, sorry to rant again, but I may put my return to buying nice raw post-war cards on hold. GM had a nice 1967 Kaline a week or two ago, which mostly sells for under $100 in PSA 8 and has one sale at 8.5 for $155. My snipe didn't even register and the ungraded card sold for $193.50.

The kicker, though, was a high-number 1966 Dick Bertell. Nice but far from scarce and not so distinguishable from those in recent sales. The ungraded GM card sold for $115. This is about double what it sells for in PSA 9 MINT. Surely no one is buying in hopes of a 10?

I can see the odd card earning more when really well centered, especially if it is notoriously found off center, and likewise for cards usually subject to print dots or snow. But c'mon man. This is just nuts and I'm not cherry picking sales to make my point, unless everyone just happens to want the same cards that I bid.

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