Sets: How many really exist?

Ricky · #1 02-01-2019, 03:25 PM

My earliest complete sets are the 1933 DeLong (moderately tough) and 1935 Goudey, which if you're just doing card fronts, is relatively easy.

Rhotchkiss · #2 02-01-2019, 04:49 PM

I have a complete E104-2 Nadia pirates set. Can�t be many of those. Not many cards in the set (I think 11) but they are pretty rare. If I could chose one complete to own, it would, hands down, be E107; with Rose Co. postcards coming in second

familytoad · #3 02-01-2019, 07:08 PM

I’d be interested in guesses about the existing quantity of my completed sets and some others I am building :

e95 and e96 Philadelphia Caramel = I have low grade SGC full sets. Do you think there are a 100 complete sets ? Maybe a few less of e96?

e210-1 York Caramel type 1 = I have a SGC full set. No others in that registry.
Do you think there are more than 30 full sets out there?

e210-2 York Caramel type 2 = I have 90% but haven’t found another in years.
No one seems to care much about these, but I don’t think anyone has a full set. Doubters?

C46 imperial tobacco = I have 75%. These are not terribly difficult but lack of interest it seems keeps folks from doing the full set. I wonder if there are 50 of the full set out there?

Finally, T205. There must be hundreds of full sets. I have almost two. I’m interested to hear if someone has a more precise guess.

62corvette · #4 02-01-2019, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by familytoad

I�d be interested in guesses about the existing quantity of my completed sets and some others I am building :

e95 and e96 Philadelphia Caramel = I have low grade SGC full sets. Do you think there are a 100 complete sets ? Maybe a few less of e96?

e210-1 York Caramel type 1 = I have a SGC full set. No others in that registry.
Do you think there are more than 30 full sets out there?

e210-2 York Caramel type 2 = I have 90% but haven�t found another in years.
No one seems to care much about these, but I don�t think anyone has a full set. Doubters?

C46 imperial tobacco = I have 75%. These are not terribly difficult but lack of interest it seems keeps folks from doing the full set. I wonder if there are 50 of the full set out there?

Finally, T205. There must be hundreds of full sets. I have almost two. I�m interested to hear if someone has a more precise guess.

I have had T205 and T206 (520) complete since 1974. Finished E98 about 1980, and E95, T201, E90-3 and E101 over the past decade. Because I fly under the radar, I am guessing that no one would have calculated any of my sets in their guesses on how many complete sets of certain cards there are. How many others are there out there like me?
How many sets of 1955 Spic and Span do you think there are?

familytoad · #5 02-01-2019, 08:49 PM

Guesses probably start with adding up the registry set totals and then multiplying by a factor of 3 or 4 times that number?

That multiplier number is probably higher on big sets like the Monster since grading that many cards wouldn�t likely appeal to older collectors.

So maybe 10x of the combined registry sets for T206?

Wayne97 just emailed me some of his calculations and if he wants, they could be posted here more globally. They discuss e95 and e96, but our viewers may want to speculate on practically any (prewar) set.

Does anyone else have set population theories? I�m liking this topic...

familytoad · #6 02-01-2019, 08:50 PM

Congratulations on a great collection, Mike!
Very nice

jasonc · #7 02-02-2019, 05:06 AM

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Originally Posted by familytoad

e95 and e96 Philadelphia Caramel = I have low grade SGC full sets. Do you think there are a 100 complete sets ? Maybe a few less of e96?

Finally, T205. There must be hundreds of full sets. I have almost two. I�m interested to hear if someone has a more precise guess.

Thanks for your post.

These three would be interesting to know.

62corvette · #8 02-02-2019, 08:39 AM

I certainly would be interested in Wayne97 thoughts on E95 and E96.

wayne97 · #9 02-02-2019, 10:01 AM

The e95 and e96 sets are very popular ecards and fairly easy to finish depending on what grade a collector desires

e95 PSA sets 7 e95 cards graded 2034

e95 SGC sets 7 e95 cards graded 2441

e96 PSA sets 3 e96 cards graded 891

e96 SGC sets 4 e96 cards graded 1191

The above mention are complete sets, are only registery sets. The amount of cards makes it possible for several dozen complete sets in private hands. Yes, several cards are crossed back and forth for higher grades and into whatever grading company one likes, but a ton of graded examples, other ecards sets don't come close to these numbers and probability would be less sets

wayne

x2drich2000 · #10 02-02-2019, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by wayne97

The e95 and e96 sets are very popular ecards and fairly easy to finish depending on what grade a collector desires

e95 PSA sets 7 e95 cards graded 2034

e95 SGC sets 7 e95 cards graded 2441

e96 PSA sets 3 e96 cards graded 891

e96 SGC sets 4 e96 cards graded 1191

The above mention are complete sets, are only registery sets. The amount of cards makes it possible for several dozen complete sets in private hands. Yes, several cards are crossed back and forth for higher grades and into whatever grading company one likes, but a ton of graded examples, other ecards sets don't come close to these numbers and probability would be less sets

wayne

I would also add that E95 & E96 are very common ungraded as well. Out of curiosity, I just checked Ebay and without looking at price, multiple E95 complete sets, except for the Wagner, could be made just using the BIN feature (only 1 Wagner is currently listed and its an auction). REA alone has sold 5 complete and several more near E95 sets. Also, at the last White Plains show a dealer told me he had 3 e95 sets he was in the process of breaking. With all that in mind, it would not surprise me one bit if there were 75-100 of each of these sets.

DJ

familytoad · #11 02-02-2019, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by x2drich2000

Also, at the last White Plains show a dealer told me he had 3 e95 sets he was in the process of breaking. With all that in mind, it would not surprise me one bit if there were 75-100 of each of these sets.

DJ

DJ,
That's in the area I was thinking too in my earlier post.

Remember that the OP was talking about complete sets and I presume that there are a LOT of partial sets out there, probably most of them needing Cobb/Wagner/Plank.

Baseballcrazy62 · #12 02-04-2019, 11:39 AM

This thread is going in the direction I was hoping. I know there is no way to actually know the exact number of some of these sets but I really like to read what some of you have to say. The pre war conversations are especially interesting to me and I assume others as well. I am sure we will all be kicking ourselves about not completing this or that set. Thanks for participating in the conversation!

SMPEP · #13 02-04-2019, 11:53 AM

Yes, Andy is correct. There is no known completed set of 1923 W572s. It's not even certain that all of the 121 cards listed in the Standard Catalog exist. There are also B&W and sepia variations - and it's not known how many of either of those sets exist either.

Cheers,
Patrick

T206Collector · #14 02-04-2019, 03:05 PM

I have a complete set of the 1923 W515-2 "Little Wonder Picture Series" with not a single W515-1, which are MUCH easier to find. That puts me about 87% further than the one and only PSA registry entry on this set...

W515-2 (1-15)

Leon · #15 02-11-2019, 08:54 AM

I think there might even be more...

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Originally Posted by x2drich2000

I would also add that E95 & E96 are very common ungraded as well. Out of curiosity, I just checked Ebay and without looking at price, multiple E95 complete sets, except for the Wagner, could be made just using the BIN feature (only 1 Wagner is currently listed and its an auction). REA alone has sold 5 complete and several more near E95 sets. Also, at the last White Plains show a dealer told me he had 3 e95 sets he was in the process of breaking. With all that in mind, it would not surprise me one bit if there were 75-100 of each of these sets.

DJ

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