T206 Honus Wagner - Not For Sale

[GottaHaveRockandRoll]

Originally Posted by trdcrdkid

Yeah, I'm confused too. Is the card still in the same PSA holder as in the picture? If the owner "removed the paint" (or whatever) after seeing the Altered grade, then it must have been cracked out of the holder, right? So is it now a raw card, as some on here have surmised?

Also, can we see a back scan?

Card is not for sale I apologize

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by GottaHaveRockandRoll

Yes, the card was slabbed altered, then taken out and the paint was removed, and then slabbed again, however the altered grade still came with it. I will get you more scans later as I said, if you are interested PM me! I am extremely busy right now and cannot be responding to the forum 24/7.

You're the one trying to sell a 750K card and you act like Adam is burdening you? Sheesh.

[SetBuilder]

Not sure how the OP thought he was just going to casually list a $700K card using a new account and not cause a fuss. I'm sure he's a legit guy at the end of all this, but he acted kind of fishy by not listing his name and posting a scan. I choose to remain anonymous here because I'm just an idiot in the grand scheme of things, but if I ever come to own one of these Wagners and list it here I'm going to put my name behind it. Just common sense.

[Leon]

The seller was banned from Blowout, the only other forum I post on, but I didn't see a smoking gun in what was going on. The barrel was a bit warm though. It is hard to believe a baseball card seller wants to sell super expensive cards but knows little about them....Caveat emptor.

[GottaHaveRockandRoll]

Originally Posted by Leon

The seller was banned from Blowout, the only other forum I post on, but I didn't see a smoking gun in what was going on. The barrel was a bit warm though. It is hard to believe a baseball card seller wants to sell super expensive cards but knows little about them....Caveat emptor.

The card is not for sale I apologize

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by GottaHaveRockandRoll

I will get more pictures of the card. You guys are animals sheesh I am getting ganged up. I am just busy lol. What happened in Blowout was the same thing. I posted a Michael Jordan card collection and everyone was annoying me and asking for more pictures, also I was asking people to consign items and they banned me for that. Everything is legit I will post more photos and stuff later give me some time.

Damn it's sure annoying when potential buyers ask for more information. I empathize.

[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by peter_spaeth

damn it's sure annoying when potential buyers ask for more information. I empathize.

right!!!!!!

[MichelaiTorres83]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Damn it's sure annoying when potential buyers ask for more information. I empathize.

I certianly agree with your subtle humor and slight towards the situation but I also believe you made the opposite point as well.

How many are 'potential'? Let's be honest. Almost for certian 0 of everyone.

I believe that most of the questions are not from interested buyers. They are simply people interested or people that have nothing better to do than to try to poke holes in the person's story.

I can understand how that is burdensome when you have such an interesting item and you have stuff to do. I have definitely tried to sell things and been bombarded with increased activity from sources I was certain would never pan out. Especially if the motivation to sell is low. You want people that are qualified, interested and capable only.

It is unfair to question the level of motivation of the seller.
My guess is that it's a new experience for the seller.

[pokerplyr80]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Damn it's sure annoying when potential buyers ask for more information. I empathize.

I highly doubt any of those asking for more pictures in the thread are actually interested in buying this card. If I was in the market for a 600 or 700k altered Wagner I would have contacted the seller directly and asked for better scans. And if I were selling this I also would not waste my time answering the trolls.

[Corporal Lance Boil]

Originally Posted by Leon

The seller was banned from Blowout, the only other forum I post on, but I didn't see a smoking gun in what was going on. The barrel was a bit warm though. It is hard to believe a baseball card seller wants to sell super expensive cards but knows little about them....Caveat emptor.

That thread is an interesting read, and certainly worth a look. I won't link to another site but its' under Member/Trades Feedback and references a 25K Jordan collection. Due diligence.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by Corporal Lance Boil

That thread is an interesting read, and certainly worth a look. I won't link to another site but its' under Member/Trades Feedback and references a 25K Jordan collection. Due diligence.

Just went over to BO and read the thread. It is well worth your time to check out. Too bad that taking pictures of the several 52 Mantles he found would harm the cards. I know I would like to see some pics of them.

[Yastrzemski Sports]

I would think that if I, as an employee, invested some time to fully explain and dedicated a couple of days to posting photos and answering questions to make a sale of this magnitude that it would be worth the time spent.

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

You're the one trying to sell a 750K card and you act like Adam is burdening you? Sheesh.

[Yastrzemski Sports]

I would think that if I, as an employee, invested some time to fully explain and dedicated a couple of days to posting photos and answering questions to make a sale of this magnitude that it would be worth the time spent. For someone with probably $1m+ worth of items, the sale could have been handled better. Once you start out on the wrong foot it’s hard to get back.

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

You're the one trying to sell a 750K card and you act like Adam is burdening you? Sheesh.

[trdcrdkid]

Originally Posted by GottaHaveRockandRoll

Yes, the card was slabbed altered, then taken out and the paint was removed, and then slabbed again, however the altered grade still came with it. I will get you more scans later as I said, if you are interested PM me! I am extremely busy right now and cannot be responding to the forum 24/7.

At first I thought this meant that the card was reslabbed recently, but now I see that the reslabbing happened years ago. The 2014 Sports Collectors Daily article linked to by Adam Y. in post 11 of this thread depicts the Wagner in the same slab, and it says, "The last known sale of this particular Wagner card was through Mastro Auctions in 2010 for $219,225. It was restored many years ago, but the restoration was later reversed."

[GottaHaveRockandRoll]

The card is not for sale I apologize

[ullmandds]

if I were spending 3/4 million on a card...let alone $1000...I'd want a high resolution scan of the front and the back!

As a former chess champion I'm sure you can figure out how to do that????

[jchcollins]

Originally Posted by GottaHaveRockandRoll

I am extremely busy right now and cannot be responding to the forum 24/7.

Ok, so you have a graded copy of the most iconic baseball card in the world, which you would like to sell to someone for more than twice the value of my house. But you don't have time to respond to questions or craft a reasonable or intelligent sounding summary of the card's provenance which does not lead to tons of follow-up questions. Okie dok.

Also - sale price here is $715K but in Rich's article $450K?

At a minimum some high-res scans would be in order to be taken seriously. Those that I've seen so far in this forum suck.