T206 Honus Wagner - Not For Sale

[pokerplyr80]

Originally Posted by Luke

Good luck with the sale, but it doesn't help your credibility to tell people that card would grade a 3 or 4. You may just not know that you're wrong, but everyone else on the forum knows you are. If you haven't sent any cards in to PSA in a few years and looked at the grades you received, it's probably best not to make any claims about what grade this card would get.

There's exactly 0.00% chance this card could get a 2.5 or better with those corners, assuming there was no alteration. I would take the the under on 1.75 personally.

It's a great card. No reason to lie or exaggerate to try and make it seem like more than it is.

Edited to add that I probably went a little harder than I needed to in the above post. The OP sent me a PM and said he was just comparing his card to another PSA 2 and his card looked better. That is certainly possible. This card could not get above a "2" because of the corners, but it's still a nice looking card. I have a bunch of PSA 2s with rounded corners that look great.

I have seen crazier things than a card that looks like this ending up in a 3 or 4 holder. From the 1 picture I've seen I agree 2 would be the most likely grade, assuming the card had not been altered.

[xplainer]

Originally Posted by pokerplyr80

I have seen crazier things than a card that looks like this ending up in a 3 or 4 holder. From the 1 picture I've seen I agree 2 would be the most likely grade, assuming the card had not been altered.

It WAS altered. OP stated so.

Then, unaltered.

So, no, it has not been altered.

It is alterless.
Without alter.
It has no alter.

[pokerplyr80]

Originally Posted by xplainer

It WAS altered. OP stated so.

Then, unaltered.

So, no, it has now, not been altered.

Right I guess I should have said had it not been altered I would assume a grade of 2. Although given the context of the thread my meaning should have been clear from my previous post.

[xplainer]

Originally Posted by pokerplyr80

Right I guess I should have said had it not been altered I would assume a grade of 2. Although given the context of the thread my meaning should have been clear from my previous post.

I understand. Had it not...

[vintagetoppsguy]

To the OP, you should post a pic of yourself holding the card. It worked out well for this guy...

[mrvster]

and all....


I have followed this card very close , like I said , for many years.....


CARD SHOULD BE GRADED AS "ALTERED"


reasoning:


once a card has been tampered with (beside trimming) "altered" by human or otherwise.......



first time:


card had been "altered" the first time when extensive coloring had been added, and especially around the ear.....some "paper"(I believe) was added...and other major altering items performed on the card....

second time:

card was "un altered" by "altering" it again being reversing the original restoration......


this is EXTREMELY unfortunate as now no one really knows truly how much this card has been worked on....


it breaks my heart to see a piece of history being tampered with extensively....

my friend and board member mike s has held this a few times...


if you are going to drop serious cash on something like this, original in any condition , is the way to go....because no one truly knows what has been done and undone to this card...

CARD IS 100 % ALTERED .....AUTHENTIC, BUT NONE THE LESS ALTERED

[biggsdaddycool]

Originally Posted by mrvster

and all....





I have followed this card very close , like I said , for many years.....





CARD SHOULD BE GRADED AS "ALTERED"





reasoning:





once a card has been tampered with (beside trimming) "altered" by human or otherwise.......







first time:





card had been "altered" the first time when extensive coloring had been added, and especially around the ear.....some "paper"(I believe) was added...and other major altering items performed on the card....



second time:



card was "un altered" by "altering" it again being reversing the original restoration......





this is EXTREMELY unfortunate as now no one really knows truly how much this card has been worked on....





it breaks my heart to see a piece of history being tampered with extensively....



my friend and board member mike s has held this a few times...





if you are going to drop serious cash on something like this, original in any condition , is the way to go....because no one truly knows what has been done and undone to this card...



CARD IS 100 % ALTERED .....AUTHENTIC, BUT NONE THE LESS ALTERED

This is precisely the point I was making earlier. 100% altered. What once was done cannot be undone.


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[MichelaiTorres83]

Originally Posted by xplainer

It WAS altered. OP stated so.

Then, unaltered.

So, no, it has not been altered.

It is alterless.
Without alter.
It has no alter.

I believe that the past tense of alter means at some point in the past it was changed, regardless of the change but I am an English teacher

Unaltered and unrestored are not words I would use.

It was altered to make it look better then altered again to attempt to make it look like it did before it was altered the first time.

2 times it was altered.

[xplainer]

Sarcasim is hard to do in print. Sorry.