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Old 03-05-2019, 11:42 AM
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The China Grove ball is most certainly a forgery, and the other ball is highly suspect, IMHO
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Old 03-05-2019, 12:05 PM
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Clemens' signature has changed drastically over the years. Here is the OPs China ball compared to a certified ball. Not much difference. For me, I not only look at the signature, but the inscription as well. The inscriptions are pretty much a match too. Besides, if one were going to forge a Clemens ball, why would they use a China ball?
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Old 03-05-2019, 12:05 PM
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Another Clemens ball with a very similar signature to the China ball

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Roger-Cleme...p2047675.l2557
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Old 03-05-2019, 12:44 PM
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Clemens' signature has changed drastically over the years. Here is the OPs China ball compared to a certified ball. Not much difference. For me, I not only look at the signature, but the inscription as well. The inscriptions are pretty much a match too. Besides, if one were going to forge a Clemens ball, why would they use a China ball?
I have no opinion on if it is legit or not. Those 2 autos look nothing alike to me.
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Old 03-05-2019, 05:09 PM
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I have no opinion on if it is legit or not. Those 2 autos look nothing alike to me.
I agree it's a nice smoke screen and very cheap, as compared to faking a real ball, THAT's why the China Ball woe OO O.
I stand by my original assessment

Talking bout the China Ball, O o o, It a fake ,whoh O china ball.
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Old 03-05-2019, 05:17 PM
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FWIW.... I got these IP about four years ago. I have some others I got a few years prior but I’ll need to dig up the pics

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Old 03-05-2019, 05:38 PM
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FWIW.... I got these IP about four years ago. I have some others I got a few years prior but I’ll need to dig up the pics

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Very nice! I guess you left the China Balls at home? Imagine that.
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Old 03-05-2019, 06:21 PM
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I agree it's a nice smoke screen and very cheap, as compared to faking a real ball, THAT's why the China Ball woe OO O.
I stand by my original assessment

Talking bout the China Ball, O o o, It a fake ,whoh O china ball.
Rogers signature has changed alot over the years from what I seen. The earlier the example the more readable it was. I like them both!
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Old 03-05-2019, 07:15 PM
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Good God! It doesn't matter if the China ball is legit or not, it's already starting to fade. In 2 years the sig will be completely gone.

And yes, forgers love the crappy cheap balls.
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Old 03-06-2019, 10:17 AM
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Never knew I would have so much grief asking about a Roger Clemens auto. I guess I will just have to move on - maybe this Authentic Clemens signed Astro's rally monkey would be better. Ha, ha
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