Grading and tilt / diamond cuts

[swarmee]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

Yes, and this is why the Carew should have been designated with a MC qualifier. It's textbook definition of miscut.

Textbook does not equal PSA definition. PSA has two different definitions for miscut, which seems to be the confusion you're having.
The MC qualifier: Cards that exhibit an atypical cut for the issue, which may result in portions of more than one card being visible due to its oversized nature, will be designated "MC."

The other miscut, which is what you're talking about: "N-8 Miscut - This term is used when the factory cut is abnormal for the issue, causing the card’s edges to deviate from their intended appearance. Grading fees are not charged in this instance."
Seems that you're fighting just to fight, not to understand the difference. PSA should have not graded the Carew card at all (or given it Authentic) if the card is not square. I agree that they're INCONSISTENT with this practice. I have gotten many cards returned ungraded that have a much lower angle deviation than this card. In fact, someone posted a PSA 9 from 1972 with a much worse rhombus look to the cuts that should have also not been graded on their forums.
As for the Joiner, show me a scan of the back.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by swarmee

Textbook does not equal PSA definition. PSA has two different definitions for miscut, which seems to be the confusion you're having.
The MC qualifier: Cards that exhibit an atypical cut for the issue, which may result in portions of more than one card being visible due to its oversized nature, will be designated "MC."

The other miscut, which is what you're talking about: "N-8 Miscut - This term is used when the factory cut is abnormal for the issue, causing the card’s edges to deviate from their intended appearance. Grading fees are not charged in this instance."
Seems that you're fighting just to fight, not to understand the difference. PSA should have not graded the Carew card at all (or given it Authentic) if the card is not square. I agree that they're INCONSISTENT with this practice. I have gotten many cards returned ungraded that have a much lower angle deviation than this card. In fact, someone posted a PSA 9 from 1972 with a much worse rhombus look to the cuts that should have also not been graded on their forums.
As for the Joiner, show me a scan of the back.

Man, you're hard headed. By your own words, PSA doesn't grade diamond cut cards, but 2 are posted in this thread. How many more do you need to see to know this isn't true?

Re-read the OPs original question. "What are your thoughts on how PSA handles cards with tilt or diamond cutting issues?" Can we just agree that the answer to the question is that they're inconsistent?

[swarmee]

Ummm. I think that word is boldfaced in my quoted text. Yes, I agree with that.
Do you understand the difference between the two definitions of 'Miscut' that PSA uses and why the Carew doesn't deserve an MC qualifier?

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by swarmee

Do you understand the difference between the two definitions of 'Miscut' that PSA uses and why the Carew doesn't deserve an MC qualifier?

That's the difference in the two of us, John. I don't care what PSA says, you do. I don't rely on PSA's opinion, it means nothing to me. I don't care what PSA thinks my cards "might" grade. If it gives you a warm, fuzzy feeling to know that PSA thinks your card grades a (fill in the blank), then great for you. I'm not knocking you for that. Some people need that. I don't. There is a whole world of card collectors out there that don't give a CRAP about PSA or their opinion.

The Carew is miscut whether PSA wants to label it as such or not. PERIOD! Below are some raw cards that are listed as miscut (and rightfully so), but you say they're not miscut according to PSA's definition. Tell you what, you email the seller and explain to him that he's wrong, that his cards are not miscut and why. Let us know how it works out for you.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1965-Topps-...cAAOSwrYRcgCEQ

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1965-Topps-...IAAOSwlG5cgCE1

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1968-Topps-...kAAOSwYu1cgCIE

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1965-Topps-...QAAOSw4uhcgCD4

Those are all FACTORY CUTS. They are NOT TRIMMED.

[swarmee]

You obviously do care. But you keep bringing up straw men that I'm not debating you on to attempt to confuse the issue: PSA does not consider factory miscuts to be trimmed. You have said in previous posts that you expect PSA to have given those cards the MC designator. I have proven to you why they do not do that.
Hell, I have as many complaints about PSA as you do. You think I'm a homer? Read through some of my previous posts. I prefer them as a grading company to the other two, but that doesn't mean I think they walk on water.

Sorry, I'll let you get back to the bash, bash, bash, obfuscate, bash that you seem to enjoy.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Have a good evening, John