1950's & 60's Topps Card Populations?

[mckinneyj]

http://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/1...-baseball-card

As of 2014 one hoarder had accumulated over 4k 1964 Topps Curt Floods - still a lot of 'em out there but the price is out of proportion to the rest of the set. fwiw...

[ALR-bishop]

The Flood guy takes 2nd place to what the guy hoarding the 52 Bartirome has done to the price of that card

[egri]

Originally Posted by ALR-bishop

The Flood guy takes 2nd place to what the guy hoarding the 52 Bartirome has done to the price of that card

I was going to post about him. I saw a post (can't remember if it was here or SCN) a member looking to trade a 1952 Topps Willie Mays for a 52T Bartirome. I'm a bit fuzzy on what, if any, the difference in condition was, but that a Bartirome-for-Mays even up trade is being seriously discussed shows what he's done.

[mckinneyj]

Originally Posted by egri

I was going to post about him. I saw a post (can't remember if it was here or SCN) a member looking to trade a 1952 Topps Willie Mays for a 52T Bartirome. I'm a bit fuzzy on what, if any, the difference in condition was, but that a Bartirome-for-Mays even up trade is being seriously discussed shows what he's done.

Posted here in the "1950 to 1959 Baseball cards- B/S/T" forum a couple of days ago. Maybe a fair trade - even up - at today's prices; or, maybe Mays isn't enough to get a similar condition Bartirome. I still need a Bartirome for my set and missed that boat several years ago when they were still priced like the other common highs. It's much easier to find a Mays - do an ebay search for the Mays and Bartirome - you'll find lots of Mays and only a handful or so of Bartiromes available.

[GasHouseGang]

So here is the chart from Bob Lemke's Blog. Hope he doesn't mind that I copied it for you here. So these are wholesale sales totals. Someone can do the math to get a pretty good idea of numbers of cards available to the public.

[savedfrommyspokes]

Originally Posted by mckinneyj

http://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/1...-baseball-card

As of 2014 one hoarder had accumulated over 4k 1964 Topps Curt Floods - still a lot of 'em out there but the price is out of proportion to the rest of the set. fwiw...

There is another 1960's Topps card that is heavily collected by a fellow board member. As active as he has been at collecting this card over the past 10+ years, my guess is he has exceeded the count that the Flood collector achieved (as he no longer appears to be actively collecting the Flood card).


Just like there are still a deluge of Floods out there, there are likely still a plethora of this other card out there. 5K of each card from the 60s seems exceptionally low (even for the higher numbers).

1952 Topps higher numbers have an estimated 5-10K copies that made it into circulation and with attrition amongst collectors, estimates are that between 2-3k of each of the 52 Hi#s remain based on pop counts.

I would agree that in the 60s that there were around 250k of each card produced by Topps....however, the percent remaining is much higher than 2-3%

[sflayank]

just look at the mantle pops
that will give you a very good idea
since a huge majority of his cards in all grades have been graded
if 5000 have been graded unlikely another 5000 are out there
if you want to cut off the supply of lou klimchock and want to spend 50000 to own them all...go ahead

[BillP]

Originally Posted by savedfrommyspokes

There is another 1960's Topps card that is heavily collected by a fellow board member. As active as he has been at collecting this card over the past 10+ years, my guess is he has exceeded the count that the Flood collector achieved (as he no longer appears to be actively collecting the Flood card).


Just like there are still a deluge of Floods out there, there are likely still a plethora of this other card out there. 5K of each card from the 60s seems exceptionally low (even for the higher numbers).

1952 Topps higher numbers have an estimated 5-10K copies that made it into circulation and with attrition amongst collectors, estimates are that between 2-3k of each of the 52 Hi#s remain based on pop counts.

I would agree that in the 60s that there were around 250k of each card produced by Topps....however, the percent remaining is much higher than 2-3%

Ok, I think it will be interesting to get folks opinion on what can other that he 64 flood is being hoarded. Here's my 2 cents: 1) 1966 #591 2) 1961 #243 smith 3) 1963 #496.

[rats60]

Originally Posted by BillP

Ok, I think it will be interesting to get folks opinion on what can other that he 64 flood is being hoarded. Here's my 2 cents: 1) 1966 #591 2) 1961 #243 smith 3) 1963 #496.

I would guess it is the 61 T Hal Smith. The other 2 are short print high numbers. It would make some sense since he hit a big HR in the 8th inning of Game 7 of the World Series.

[savedfrommyspokes]

Originally Posted by BillP

Ok, I think it will be interesting to get folks opinion on what can other that he 64 flood is being hoarded. Here's my 2 cents: 1) 1966 #591 2) 1961 #243 smith 3) 1963 #496.

Number 2 is the correct answer (61 242 Smith)....while over the past 10+ years I have sold many copies of this card to this board member, I do not know his reason for collecting so many copies of this card. He started collecting this Smith card long before the Flood collector started collecting his card(at least based on my ebay sales to both).

Based on another board member posts, he actively collected the 66 591 card for years......however, both the 66 591 and 63 496 have always been tough.

[BillP]

Originally Posted by savedfrommyspokes

Number 2 is the correct answer (61 242 Smith)....while over the past 10+ years I have sold many copies of this card to this board member, I do not know his reason for collecting so many copies of this card. He started collecting this Smith card long before the Flood collector started collecting his card(at least based on my ebay sales to both).

Based on another board member posts, he actively collected the 66 591 card for years......however, both the 66 591 and 63 496 have always been tough.

I had an inkling on that card from somewhere in the long ago past. I have a couple and have always thought it was colorful. I do think that the dalkowski is an sp, but there are others in that 6th series as well. Some listed in guides, but #496 usually isn't. I know Long, tresh and a few others are in the becket.

[JollyElm]

Wow, I'm learning all sorts of things today, because I always thought the 'problem' with the 1961 #242 Smith card was that it's tough to find centered...but there's someone around here hoarding them?? Yowza. And I never heard anything about the 1963 #496 Rookie Card before. Someone may be hoarding those as well? And it could be an SP? I looked in my 1963 binder and mine is in awful shape. Crap.

Anyone have any more back stories about these cards and situations? I find it oddly fascinating.

[ALR-bishop]

Larry-- you mentioned the Smith issue along with Flood back in a June 2013 thread. And I just recently picked up the variant to the 63 496 card that you or someone recently posted in here somewhere ( bite out of the circle around Dalkowski )

[savedfrommyspokes]

Originally Posted by JollyElm

Wow, I'm learning all sorts of things today, because I always thought the 'problem' with the 1961 #242 Smith card was that it's tough to find centered...but there's someone around here hoarding them?? Yowza. And I never heard anything about the 1963 #496 Rookie Card before. Someone may be hoarding those as well? And it could be an SP? I looked in my 1963 binder and mine is in awful shape. Crap.

Anyone have any more back stories about these cards and situations? I find it oddly fascinating.

I sell about 5 copies of the 63 496 card on average each year and I do not recall selling multiple copies of this card to any one collector.....likely not hoarding on this card

The 1956 Topps 21 Joe Collins card was hoarded for a while last year, I sold about 20 copies to a single collector....he stopped cold turkey and the supply/prices have returned to pre-hoard levels.

The 1960 Topps 2 Roman Mejias card use to be a plentiful common card until about mid last year. Then all of the sudden they became tough to find at a reasonable price. Now copies can sell for almost as much of a premium as the 61 Hal Smith card. However, I have not sold multiple copies to any one person so hoarding by one collector does not appear to be the cause for this card's sudden scarcity.