1961 Golden Press grading

[swarmee]

Originally Posted by Snapolit1

Who really cares how precisely it was removed from the book. What if the book publisher said "remove carefully with scissors". Weirdness if you ask me.

How is it random? The cards are perforated, as in intentionally intended to be torn out. Same rules for any perforated cards. If they were not perforated and had borders, they should be cut on the outside of those borders, or they'd be considered Altered-Trimmed. If you take a perforated card and trim off the edges so they're straight, you've altered the cards by trimming.

[JoeDfan]

Just so I understand, is it ok to cut them out with scissors as long as you leave the tiny perforations attached?
Or no? Will that not get a grade?
Or is that not even possible?

[steve B]

They've been removed from the book, so they should all be "A" Just like any other cutout/punchout card.

[jhs5120]

Originally Posted by steve B

They've been removed from the book, so they should all be "A" Just like any other cutout/punchout card.

As there are perforations, they are meant to be removed from the book.

Just like every other card.

[steve B]

Originally Posted by jhs5120

As there are perforations, they are meant to be removed from the book.

Just like every other card.

Yes, like any other perforated, outlined hand cut card, which should all be graded "A" if they're not in their original form.

[glchen]

Originally Posted by steve B

Yes, like any other perforated, outlined hand cut card, which should all be graded "A" if they're not in their original form.

So all stamps should be graded A unless the entire sheet is sent in for grading? That makes no sense.

[Snapolit1]

Originally Posted by glchen

So all stamps should be graded A unless the entire sheet is sent in for grading? That makes no sense.

If you are that concerned about the cards’ original form, you should be tearing a page out and having the TPG put that in a holder.

[steve B]

Originally Posted by glchen

So all stamps should be graded A unless the entire sheet is sent in for grading? That makes no sense.

Stuff like the Topps stamps? Yep, if it's not the issued panel, it's no better than altered.

The ones issued in books should be collected in the books.


To me saying one thing is trimmed if a bit is cut off, but another - say a milk duds card or a Hostess card, or a strip card- is fine if it's missing the box or the rest of the panel, is just strange.

[Yastrzemski Sports]

The issue of perforated cards was first addressed in the late 1990s with the Tiger Woods SI for kids card. It was a big dollar card and PSA had the rule that the card had to be torn by hand. If someone took a sharp instrument and precisely cut out the card from the sheet it would be given an A because it was trimmed. It can’t show any evidence that something was used to cut it.

I believe strip cards and Post/Jello etc cards can be graded because they were supposed to be cut. They did not have perforations that could be torn by hand. As long as you cut them well.

[rdwyer]

Bigger scans. Babe Ruth & Tris Speaker have issues. The rest of the set are like Nap Lajoie or Honus Wagner in condition. What grades can I expect on these?

[Yastrzemski Sports]

Originally Posted by rdwyer

Bigger scans. Babe Ruth & Tris Speaker have issues. The rest of the set are like Nap Lajoie or Honus Wagner in condition. What grades can I expect on these?

Mostly 2-4. Don’t bother.

The Johnson has significant bottom border dings. Most look like they have rounded corners. The Wagner looks like it has a scratch or crease across the middle in addition to a soft lower left corner. These are mid to low grade cards. You need a minimum of an 8 (and preferably a 9) to make it worth while. The PSA 4 Ruth shown above blows any of these away. And that’s a 4.

[swarmee]

Originally Posted by Yastrzemski Sports

I believe strip cards and Post/Jello etc cards can be graded because they were supposed to be cut. They did not have perforations that could be torn by hand. As long as you cut them well.

Post also made duplicates some years in perforated sheet form that need to be pulled apart. So don't cut the perforated Posts just because they're Posts.