Future value of Jeter cards after HOF induction

Yastrzemski Sports · #1 04-19-2019, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by MVSNYC

All in good fun guys...Jeter never paid my rent (see Bronx Tale), so I don't have a particular obsession with him...I just think he had the "it" factor...Paul Molitor didn't, sorry. Jeter was a fierce competitor, team leader and gutsy player. Let's not overlook the fact that he had more hits than Honus Wagner.

I think that�s the point. Jeter and Molitor are equivalent players. Jeter is the most highly touted player of his generation with comparisons to Yankee Greats like Mantle, Gehrig, Mantle and Ruth. Leading to the conclusion that he is extremely overrated.

packs · #2 04-19-2019, 12:49 PM

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I think that�s the point. Jeter and Molitor are equivalent players. Jeter is the most highly touted player of his generation with comparisons to Yankee Greats like Mantle, Gehrig, Mantle and Ruth. Leading to the conclusion that he is extremely overrated.

Is that true, though? I don't feel like the perception is that Jeter was as good as guys like Mantle and DiMaggio, just that he held a similar status among his teammates and enjoyed a similar amount of respect in the clubhouse and game at large.

Yastrzemski Sports · #3 04-19-2019, 12:56 PM

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Is that true, though? I don't feel like the perception is that Jeter was as good as guys like Mantle and DiMaggio, just that he held a similar status among his teammates and enjoyed a similar amount of respect in the clubhouse and game at large.

Exactly. He holds the same status and respect without the career = overrated.

WillBBC · #4 04-19-2019, 01:18 PM

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Exactly. He holds the same status and respect without the career = overrated.

He may have the same fame but I don't think any 'smart' baseball fan out there thinks he's on the same level of Mays and Mantle. Fame wise, he's right there.

If there's a tower of famous American athletes since the early 1980s, Michael Jordan is number 1 by a mile but that next step down will certainly have Jeter. Right now the guy with the highest Q rating in baseball is Bryce Harper. Is he the best player in the league? Of course not, but if he and Trout walk into a bar, he's the guy that non everyday baseball people turn and go, 'WOW THAT'S BRYCE HARPER!'

Jeter had a national farewell commercial by Nike! Who was the last guy to have one of those? Jordan.

I'm not trying to counter the 'Jeter is overrated' argument, folks can throw that out all they want. Just trying to point out that regardless of how his numbers stack up to guys like Mantle and Mays, his fame at the very least matches theirs.

Peter_Spaeth · #5 04-19-2019, 02:22 PM

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He may have the same fame but I don't think any 'smart' baseball fan out there thinks he's on the same level of Mays and Mantle. Fame wise, he's right there.

If there's a tower of famous American athletes since the early 1980s, Michael Jordan is number 1 by a mile but that next step down will certainly have Jeter. Right now the guy with the highest Q rating in baseball is Bryce Harper. Is he the best player in the league? Of course not, but if he and Trout walk into a bar, he's the guy that non everyday baseball people turn and go, 'WOW THAT'S BRYCE HARPER!'

Jeter had a national farewell commercial by Nike! Who was the last guy to have one of those? Jordan.

I'm not trying to counter the 'Jeter is overrated' argument, folks can throw that out all they want. Just trying to point out that regardless of how his numbers stack up to guys like Mantle and Mays, his fame at the very least matches theirs.

Harper would probably order a bottle of whiskey. Trout would order a milkshake and drink only half of it.

MVSNYC · #6 04-19-2019, 04:10 PM

Adam, clearly we will never convince each other that the other person is right. So, again, let's respectfully agree to disagree.

I don't think people compare Jeter to Ruth or Mantle's career accomplishments or stats, BUT I think most baseball fans (especially knowledgable of Yankee history), have him as last generation's Yankee superstar, who completes the chain chronologically...Ruth, Gehrig, DiMaggio, Mantle, Munson, Reggie, Mattingly...and Jeter.

I still think people here (for an unknown reason) are downplaying the fact he is 6th on the all-time hits list (that's an enormous feat), as well as being a major contributor to 5 championships. When I look at him, I don't just look at stats on paper...there's many intangibles.

aconte · #7 04-19-2019, 05:46 PM

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Harper would probably order a bottle of whiskey. Trout would order a milkshake and drink only half of it.

Lol. That's kind of funny!

rhettyeakley · #8 04-19-2019, 11:45 PM

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Harper would probably order a bottle of whiskey. Trout would order a milkshake and drink only half of it.

That is a clown question, bro!!!

I know it was a joke but the funny thing is that Bryce Harper is a practicing Mormon and doesn�t drink alcohol.

Peter_Spaeth · #9 04-21-2019, 07:23 PM

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That is a clown question, bro!!!

I know it was a joke but the funny thing is that Bryce Harper is a practicing Mormon and doesn�t drink alcohol.

Interesting, was not aware of that.

Yastrzemski Sports · #10 04-19-2019, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by WillBBC

He may have the same fame but I don't think any 'smart' baseball fan out there thinks he's on the same level of Mays and Mantle. Fame wise, he's right there.

Just to be clear, I said his stats and career most closely resemble Paul Molitor. I agree that his level of fame is the same as the elite players in baseball history even though the performance isn�t there. Like I said, he had a great, 1st ballot HOF career. But he�s not one of the 5 greatest Yankees.

That being said, it is much better to be overrated than underrated.

maniac_73 · #11 04-19-2019, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by WillBBC

He may have the same fame but I don't think any 'smart' baseball fan out there thinks he's on the same level of Mays and Mantle. Fame wise, he's right there.

If there's a tower of famous American athletes since the early 1980s, Michael Jordan is number 1 by a mile but that next step down will certainly have Jeter. Right now the guy with the highest Q rating in baseball is Bryce Harper. Is he the best player in the league? Of course not, but if he and Trout walk into a bar, he's the guy that non everyday baseball people turn and go, 'WOW THAT'S BRYCE HARPER!'

Jeter had a national farewell commercial by Nike! Who was the last guy to have one of those? Jordan.

I'm not trying to counter the 'Jeter is overrated' argument, folks can throw that out all they want. Just trying to point out that regardless of how his numbers stack up to guys like Mantle and Mays, his fame at the very least matches theirs.

Jordan is number 1 but I would put Tiger as a close number 2

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