Holes in PSA 7's - Please read - be informed

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by tschock

I would turn the question around. What defines those grading cards at PSA or any TPG as "professional graders"? Do they have special skills or training? Are they certified somehow? I'm truly not trying to be argumentative, just curious.

I could easily counter that someone who has been collecting for 30 years could be more qualified as a "professional grader" than say any random grader working at a TPG. I'm not saying they are or aren't (or that the OP has 30 years in collecting), but just curious as to what the point is in that question. It's not even relevant to what the OP discovered.

Taylor, I absolutely agree with you. I think many individuals here have enough "hobby experience" that's makes them way more qualified to render an opinion than any "professional grader." And I guess that is my point. Why do people keep trusting these TPGs rather than the experience of a seasoned collector/dealer? It's obvious that the OP wanted NM 1956 Topps cards. Are there not enough trustworthy sellers on eBay that you could buy either card raw in the same NM condition from a reputable seller and save hundreds of dollars? Sure there are. Or maybe even at a local shop or show? So why do people keep putting their faith in the TPGs rather than a reputable collector/dealer? At least the OP looked at the cards for himself. How many buyers get those same 2 cards and not even look at them, just put them in a box or in their safe and feel all warm and fuzzy thinking they bought a NM card? Many! It goes back to my point. I'll assume the OP is your "average collector." So if an average collector can look at that card and see pin holes, why can't the TPGs? Yet people keep drinking the Kool-Aid trusting in some flip because some TPG said it was so.

I don't really consider myself an autograph collector, but the autograph side of this board is much different than the card side. There are enough autograph experts on here that the autograph collectors know they can ask an opinion of authenticity and that opinion is worth way more than any TPAs (and they don't have to pay an authentication fee). So why isn't the card side the same? I could list several names on here that I would trust for an autograph authenticity opinion, and that opinion would carry much more weight with me rather than PSA/DNA, BSA, SGC or whoever. But who are the names on here we can trust for card grade opinions more than the TPGs? Card collectors want to see that grade on the flip. Autograph collectors just want to know their item is authentic. I used the autograph guys were a bit odd, but now I understand them more and more.

[tschock]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

Taylor, I absolutely agree with you. I think many individuals here have enough "hobby experience" that's makes them way more qualified to render an opinion than any "professional grader." And I guess that is my point.

Gotcha. I totally misread the tenor of your post. Sorry about that.

[swarmee]

Those are pretty awful. You should email the thread to the new PSA President Steve Sloan and have him buy the cards back and remove them from the cert list.
I got back the second egregiously graded error by PSA where they did not consider this card marked, and gave it a straight PSA 4:

[Keep_it_warm]

It was nice to speak with you Leon

[Yastrzemski Sports]

Just wanted to ask if there was any evidence of tampering on the psa holder.

[glynparson]

Not shocked. I have over the years seen interior holes missed on high grade cards in I believe every companies holders. I once owned a 1961 topps 9 with a staple hole. They bought it back. As I asssume they would these cards,errors do occur people Are human. I’ll still take reza, Steve or Lummy at sgc’s opinions over that of most people I know and certainly over anyone who commented on this thread already,despite their own touting of their “expertise”

[Empty77]

Originally Posted by glynparson

... I once owned a 1961 topps 9 with a staple hole.. .

Wait, since a PSA 9 slabbed with a staple hole is presumably much less common than one without, would the relative scarcity not make it more valuable than regular ol' 9??

[Keep_it_warm]

Originally Posted by Empty77

Wait, since a PSA 9 slabbed with a staple hole is presumably much less common than one without, would the relative scarcity not make it more valuable than regular ol' 9??

Who knows. Maybe that’s why the Clemente Card from January sold for even more when it was relisted? I did not post about it here, but I did post about it on a FB group. One guy (in that group) had the nerve to poke at me for even questioning the card. Basically saying “a 7 is a 7”. He then went on to tell the group how his uncle could fill in pinholes and get them past PSA.

Basically, here is where I am at: It’s taken me 40 years to finally commit to completing my favorite set. I need these two cards. I may end up buying them raw and just moving on with life.

Again: The only reason for this post was to give as many people as possible a heads up about the current relisted Jackie Robinson card. I have not made any accusations. I have not encouraged anyone to avoid the auction. I’m just providing information, because I have held the card in my hands and I know that it has a condition issues Inconsistent with a 7 grade.

[Steve D]

Originally Posted by Yastrzemski Sports

Just wanted to ask if there was any evidence of tampering on the psa holder.

I wonder the same thing.

Steve

[Keep_it_warm]

Originally Posted by Yastrzemski Sports

Just wanted to ask if there was any evidence of tampering on the psa holder.

Nothing that I could see, but I don’t pretend to have as much experience or knowledge with spotting tampering as many of you have. Speaking of the Jackie Robinson Card, there is a small 1/2” stress crack on the back side of the card that can be seen in the relished auction currently on eBay.