PWCC planning to redefine the difference between altered and conserved in cards

ullmandds · #1 05-03-2019, 08:27 PM

It would be a major injustice if Pwcc is allowed to define what an altered card is and isn�t!

Peter_Spaeth · #2 05-03-2019, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by ullmandds

It would be a major injustice if Pwcc is allowed to define what an altered card is and isn�t!

ya think?

Peter_Spaeth · #3 05-03-2019, 08:42 PM

I was just reflecting back on how I started in this hobby -- riding my bike with my friend to the 7-11 to buy 65 Topps packs with our allowances. I've always loved cards, most fundamentally I guess because I've always loved baseball and later sports in general. I understand that it's become a business, and that they've become valuable collectibles. No issue with that. I understand the advantages of TPG in the internet age. No real issue with that. But on days like this, I am just so pissed off at the criminal and sleaze elements, and those who enable them and defend them, that I almost want to quit.

End of speech.

calvindog · #4 05-03-2019, 08:53 PM

People laughed at Walt Disney too. He showed em, just like Brent will.

vintagebaseballcardguy · #5 05-03-2019, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I was just reflecting back on how I started in this hobby -- riding my bike with my friend to the 7-11 to buy 65 Topps packs. I've always loved cards. I understand that it's become a business, and that they've become valuable collectibles. No issue with that. I understand the advantages of TPG in the internet age. No real issue with that. But on days like this, I am just so pissed off at the criminal and sleaze elements, and those who enable them and defend them, that I almost want to quit.

End of speech.

I share these sentiments. As someone who regularly reads and reflects on issues such as these, I just think the influence over our hobby so many have allowed elements like this to have is a load of crap. How so many people could just roll over and be so weak-minded is unreal to me. I don't regularly spend huge money on cards and I am not a blip on the radar, but I do make fairly regular purchases. When I do make purchases, I take these discussions to heart and avoid doing business with anyone who knowingly is doing this. This board has opened my eyes, and I am appreciative of that. Peter, it's like you have said before, "Stuff trumps all."

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irv · #6 05-03-2019, 10:13 PM

I quit dealing with PWCC a long time ago. Many issues in my short time here were a real eye opener to me when I thought this hobby was more on the up and up.
I was definitely naive/ignorant when I re-entered the hobby as I didn't think these types of things existed, or existed to the level they do.

I can relate to what Peter is saying fully. I have backed off considerably lately due to many things, but these types of PWCC shenanigans are a big part of that, sadly.

I'm not solely picking on PWCC. The B.S. I see from PSA, JSA, forgeries, trimmed cards, etc, etc, etc, just adds to that sentiment. I had no idea, re-entering this hobby, that things were so ugly.

Orioles1954 · #7 05-03-2019, 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by irv

I quit dealing with PWCC a long time ago. Many issues in my short time here were a real eye opener to me when I thought this hobby was more on the up and up.
I was definitely naive/ignorant when I re-entered the hobby as I didn't think these types of things existed, or existed to the level they do.

I can relate to what Peter is saying fully. I have backed off considerably lately due to many things, but these types of PWCC shenanigans are a big part of that, sadly.

I'm not solely picking on PWCC. The B.S. I see from PSA, JSA, forgeries, trimmed cards, etc, etc, etc, just adds to that sentiment. I had no idea, re-entering this hobby, that things were so ugly.

Holy cow that upper left corner!!

chalupacollects · #8 05-04-2019, 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by ullmandds

It would be a major injustice if Pwcc is allowed to define what an altered card is and isn�t!

Personally I only think of them as an ebay seller greedy for cash. Nothing I have ever read about them makes me think of them as "the" card experts though they seem to try and portray themselves as such (see disclaimers on not being graders and then grading the grade and slapping a sticker on it) smh

ullmandds · #9 05-04-2019, 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by chalupacollects

Personally I only think of them as an ebay seller greedy for cash. Nothing I have ever read about them makes me think of them as "the" card experts though they seem to try and portray themselves as such (see disclaimers on not being graders and then grading the grade and slapping a sticker on it) smh

Yes...but venture away from this board and you will find hoards of zombies muttering PSA...PWWC...as if they were the Last Word in the hobby...and these are the masses...we are the minority.

Peter_Spaeth · #10 05-04-2019, 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by ullmandds

Yes...but venture away from this board and you will find hoards of zombies muttering PSA...PWWC...as if they were the Last Word in the hobby...and these are the masses...we are the minority.

On this board too, my friend.

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