My exceptional PWCC pickup.

pokerplyr80 · #1 05-15-2019, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Then perhaps you should read what's out there before making pronouncements about the state of the evidence?

I believe my only pronouncement was that I hadn't seen any evidence, not exactly a groundbreaking revelation.

Peter_Spaeth · #2 05-15-2019, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by pokerplyr80

I believe my only pronouncement was that I hadn't seen any evidence, not exactly a groundbreaking revelation.

It implied that it was your assessment of the evidence we've all been discussing.

pokerplyr80 · #3 05-15-2019, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

It implied that it was your assessment of the evidence we've all been discussing.

What I've seen was a statement that the 52 Mantle appeared to have been altered based on before and after pictures posted on blowout. I saw no evidence they knew this card was altered before posting it. Or that whatever was done to that card even meets PSA's definition of alteration.

I don't remember the whole story with that 36 DiMaggio, but I do remember it didn't look good.

I am completely unaware if there is evidence that they knew of any other altered cards submitted in their auctions. I stated to Jeff that if he knew something I didn't, I'd like to see it. I still would.

ullmandds · #4 05-15-2019, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by pokerplyr80

What I've seen was a statement that the 52 Mantle appeared to have been altered based on before and after pictures posted on blowout. I saw no evidence they knew this card was altered before posting it. Or that whatever was done to that card even meets PSA's definition of alteration.

I don't remember the whole story with that 36 DiMaggio, but I do remember it didn't look good.

I am completely unaware if there is evidence that they knew of any other altered cards submitted in their auctions. I stated to Jeff that if he knew something I didn't, I'd like to see it. I still would.

You�re an idiot

Fuddjcal · #5 05-15-2019, 06:36 PM

How about you just simply open your eyes?

Peter_Spaeth · #6 05-15-2019, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by pokerplyr80

What I've seen was a statement that the 52 Mantle appeared to have been altered based on before and after pictures posted on blowout. I saw no evidence they knew this card was altered before posting it. Or that whatever was done to that card even meets PSA's definition of alteration.

I don't remember the whole story with that 36 DiMaggio, but I do remember it didn't look good.

I am completely unaware if there is evidence that they knew of any other altered cards submitted in their auctions. I stated to Jeff that if he knew something I didn't, I'd like to see it. I still would.

If you read what everyone else has read, you would be aware. If you aren't going to, you shouldn't opine. If you have read and still think there is no evidence, I don't even know what to say at this point.

calvindog · #7 05-15-2019, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

If you read what everyone else has read, you would be aware. If you aren't going to, you shouldn't opine. If you have read and still think there is no evidence, I don't even know what to say at this point.

Brent admitted the Mantle was worked on prior to it being sold by him. Now Jesse is claiming that Brent is lying?

Peter_Spaeth · #8 05-15-2019, 06:07 PM

PWCC has ceased working with card doctors. Uh, to stop something, you must have been doing it before.

calvindog · #9 05-15-2019, 06:17 PM

Either Brent or Gary is going to run to the Feds to cooperate against the other to save his own skin. Who will it be? I have a hunch.

irv · #10 05-15-2019, 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by calvindog

Brent admitted the Mantle was worked on prior to it being sold by him. Now Jesse is claiming that Brent is lying?

Supposedly he spoke of the "alterations" on instagram but wouldn't update the auction to mention them?

pokerplyr80 · #11 05-16-2019, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by calvindog

Brent admitted the Mantle was worked on prior to it being sold by him. Now Jesse is claiming that Brent is lying?

My reading of his statement was an acknowledgment that the card appears to have been worked on, but not to a degree that would qualify for an altered grade. I didn't see anything that would indicate he had knowledge the card was altered before the auction.

I did not go to law school like some of those commenting. But it seems to me you guys are making assumptions and accusations that even if very likely to be true haven't been proven to be true. And you're stating them as though they're facts.

If more evidence comes out tying pwcc to card doctors and showing they knowingly defrauded customers it may bring the company down. Or it could turn out there isn't any proof and this will all blow over. If I had to place a bet today, it would be on the latter. It will be interesting to see how it plays out though.

Leon · #12 05-16-2019, 03:00 PM

Jesse, great post.

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Originally Posted by pokerplyr80

My reading of his statement was an acknowledgment that the card appears to have been worked on, but not to a degree that would qualify for an altered grade. I didn't see anything that would indicate he had knowledge the card was altered before the auction.

I did not go to law school like some of those commenting. But it seems to me you guys are making assumptions and accusations that even if very likely to be true haven't been proven to be true. And you're stating them as though they're facts.

If more evidence comes out tying pwcc to card doctors and showing they knowingly defrauded customers it may bring the company down. Or it could turn out there isn't any proof and this will all blow over. If I had to place a bet today, it would be on the latter. It will be interesting to see how it plays out though.

Peter_Spaeth · #13 05-16-2019, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by pokerplyr80

My reading of his statement was an acknowledgment that the card appears to have been worked on, but not to a degree that would qualify for an altered grade. I didn't see anything that would indicate he had knowledge the card was altered before the auction.

I did not go to law school like some of those commenting. But it seems to me you guys are making assumptions and accusations that even if very likely to be true haven't been proven to be true. And you're stating them as though they're facts.

If more evidence comes out tying pwcc to card doctors and showing they knowingly defrauded customers it may bring the company down. Or it could turn out there isn't any proof and this will all blow over. If I had to place a bet today, it would be on the latter. It will be interesting to see how it plays out though.

Read what Jeff posted about evidence he has seen in the thread started by PWCC. Read what PWCC ITSELF said. Not about Mantle, about no longer affiliating with card doctors. My God, dude, take off the blinders.

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