FS: Lawrence Ritter - The Glory of Their Times DVD! - SOLD

[Hankphenom]

Yes, Larry did get a tremendous kick out of what he did for the players and their memories, including sharing his royalties with them for years. And you're right that I did miss the small and parenthetical mention of Ritter's book on the back cover on first glance at the package. But how hard would it have been to feature the names of both these famous men on the cover, giving full credit where it's due? I'd guess their estates won't be seeing any money from this publication of their work, but letting buyers know whose work this is would seem to be a basic consideration for someone issuing this product out of love for it and a desire to get it into the hands of those who would appreciate it. As I said, why wouldn't you want their names on the package? Why would you be surprised that Neal and I gave credit to Conlon for the cover photo? We gave credit to all the many photos we used. As for what Larry would think about the DVD, what comes to mind is what he said about the film when I asked him about it. Laughing sardonically, he said: "Oh yeah, the film. Bud and I are friends, but I never got a dime out of it." I doubt if he'd care one way or the other that someone was putting out the DVD with his famous title on it, and would no doubt have something similar to say about the way it was issued. Larry knew how the world works.

[Mark17]

Originally Posted by Hankphenom

As I said, why wouldn't you want their names on the package?

I agree, they should be. One is.

Originally Posted by Hankphenom

Why would you be surprised that Neal and I gave credit to Conlon for the cover photo?

I didn't say surprised, I said "impressed."

Originally Posted by Hankphenom

I doubt if he'd care one way or the other that someone was putting out the DVD with his famous title on it, and would no doubt have something similar to say about the way it was issued. Larry knew how the world works.

Good, I am glad. This was the sentiment I assumed Larry would have, in my original post.

[Hankphenom]

Originally Posted by Mark17

Good, I am glad. This was the sentiment I assumed Larry would have, in my original post.

You're glad that Larry would accept this for the kind of cynical commercial exploitation that goes on in the world? That makes you happy? Tell you what: Just let your friend Doak know that you agree with me that he should at least get the artists' names where they belong on his unlicensed issuances of their work, and maybe we'll have actually accomplished something here rather than just wasting time defending our positions.

[Mark17]

Originally Posted by Hankphenom

As for what Larry would think about the DVD, what comes to mind is what he said about the film when I asked him about it. Laughing sardonically, he said: "Oh yeah, the film. Bud and I are friends, but I never got a dime out of it." I doubt if he'd care one way or the other that someone was putting out the DVD with his famous title on it, and would no doubt have something similar to say about the way it was issued. Larry knew how the world works.

If you want to take issue with Doak not mentioning Bud on the cover of his DVD presentation (now that we have established he DID give credit to Larry) I would say that Bud not giving Larry "a dime" for use of Larry's material, while it was still under copyright protection, is a far worse example of unfairly appropriating someone else's work.

If Larry had issues with "cynical commercial exploitation", I would think that being taken advantage of, financially, as you describe above, would have been far more impactful than anything Doak has done with Larry's now public domain material.

And if Bud didn't pay Larry (or, I would surmise, any of the interviewed players) "a dime", then I'm not going to cry if Bud's name isn't in big bold letters on the DVD cover.

Both Bud and Larry are clearly credited on the actual film, so it's not like anyone is trying to hide their contributions.

I've become bored with your attack on Doak. If you want to complain to him, go ahead.