Top 10 Non-Pele Soccer Cards

Copa7 · #1 05-17-2019, 07:33 PM

That's a mighty fine selection, Al.

I might put together a list too. I like the South American and Italian issues.

esehombre · #2 05-17-2019, 08:28 PM

Without a lot of time invested into statistics/rarity etc these are a few I could come up with. I would say an early Bloomer should at least be considered as well.

From top and left to right:

1958 Balas Garrincha
1938 Brazilian Team Postcard w/ Leonidas
1939 Kicker Fritz Walter
1974 Ageducatifs Michel Platini
1915 Chocolate Amatller Pichichi
1933 Cioccolato Dolomiti Silvio Piola (Serie A top scorer)
1992 Panini Zidane
1983 Panini Marco Van Basten
1999 Gremio Ronaldinho

Peter_Spaeth · #3 05-17-2019, 09:04 PM

Only because I have it, probably too common for you sophisticates.

thelimey · #4 05-18-2019, 02:29 PM

I like your choices, there are some amazing cards there. I love that Sindelar, I have a Bulgaria and Konig but no Greiling yet. Likewise I have a few other Meazza and Mazzola but I've been foiled on past attempts to pick up their key cards, I also stupidly missed out on a Circus Girl GO Smith auction this week due to an overrunning appointment.

I guess the question is whether is whether you interpret a top 10 as "grail cards" weighted towards rarity and significance of the issue or towards including top players and recognisable, iconic cards for people new to the hobby.

Going for the second interpretation I'd go for this as a top 10

1946 Monte Cudine Di Stefano
1947 Naninina Puskas
1956 Vecchi Garrincha
1963 Panini Eusebio
1964 Barratt A12 Best
1968 Palirex Cruyff
1974 Ageducatifs Platini
1977 Futbol Maradona
2002 Mega craques Ronaldo
2004 Megacracks Messi

Yes it's boring, many are not especially rare, some aren't true rookies, some might argue discs aren't cards and I remember reading somewhere there are doubts about the authenticity of the Monte Cudines (if someone knows more about this I'd love to hear). It's a shame but a lot of fans are not interested in pre war players, perhaps Dixie Dean and Meazza come closest. Even here in England the vast majority of fans have never heard of the likes of GO Smith, Meredith, Bloomer, Needham, etc you'd probably just know the ones from the club you support.

aljurgela · #5 05-20-2019, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by thelimey

I like your choices, there are some amazing cards there. I love that Sindelar, I have a Bulgaria and Konig but no Greiling yet. Likewise I have a few other Meazza and Mazzola but I've been foiled on past attempts to pick up their key cards, I also stupidly missed out on a Circus Girl GO Smith auction this week due to an overrunning appointment.

I guess the question is whether is whether you interpret a top 10 as "grail cards" weighted towards rarity and significance of the issue or towards including top players and recognisable, iconic cards for people new to the hobby.

Going for the second interpretation I'd go for this as a top 10

1946 Monte Cudine Di Stefano
1947 Naninina Puskas
1956 Vecchi Garrincha
1963 Panini Eusebio
1964 Barratt A12 Best
1968 Palirex Cruyff
1974 Ageducatifs Platini
1977 Futbol Maradona
2002 Mega craques Ronaldo
2004 Megacracks Messi

Yes it's boring, many are not especially rare, some aren't true rookies, some might argue discs aren't cards and I remember reading somewhere there are doubts about the authenticity of the Monte Cudines (if someone knows more about this I'd love to hear). It's a shame but a lot of fans are not interested in pre war players, perhaps Dixie Dean and Meazza come closest. Even here in England the vast majority of fans have never heard of the likes of GO Smith, Meredith, Bloomer, Needham, etc you'd probably just know the ones from the club you support.

OMG, would have loved to pick another one up!!!!

thelimey · #6 05-21-2019, 06:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aljurgela

OMG, would have loved to pick another one up!!!!

It came up in a UK auction house, went for �360, kicking myself as I had registered to bid but something came up that meant I missed it.

aljurgela · #7 09-25-2019, 02:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thelimey

I like your choices, there are some amazing cards there. I love that Sindelar, I have a Bulgaria and Konig but no Greiling yet. Likewise I have a few other Meazza and Mazzola but I've been foiled on past attempts to pick up their key cards, I also stupidly missed out on a Circus Girl GO Smith auction this week due to an overrunning appointment.

I guess the question is whether is whether you interpret a top 10 as "grail cards" weighted towards rarity and significance of the issue or towards including top players and recognisable, iconic cards for people new to the hobby.

Going for the second interpretation I'd go for this as a top 10

1946 Monte Cudine Di Stefano
1947 Naninina Puskas
1956 Vecchi Garrincha
1963 Panini Eusebio
1964 Barratt A12 Best
1968 Palirex Cruyff
1974 Ageducatifs Platini
1977 Futbol Maradona
2002 Mega craques Ronaldo
2004 Megacracks Messi

Yes it's boring, many are not especially rare, some aren't true rookies, some might argue discs aren't cards and I remember reading somewhere there are doubts about the authenticity of the Monte Cudines (if someone knows more about this I'd love to hear). It's a shame but a lot of fans are not interested in pre war players, perhaps Dixie Dean and Meazza come closest. Even here in England the vast majority of fans have never heard of the likes of GO Smith, Meredith, Bloomer, Needham, etc you'd probably just know the ones from the club you support.

I really like the list.... I cannot argue with any of these...

samosa4u · #8 05-18-2019, 02:57 PM

The list should include players that are well known around the world. Players like Dixie Dean, G.O. Smith and Billy Meredith are known only in the UK. Here is my list:

- 1946 Monte Cudine Alfredo Di Stefano
- 1947 Nannina Ferenc Puskas
- 1963 Panini Eusebio
- 1964 Barratt George Best
- 1968 Sicker-Verlag Suurbier/Cruyff
- 1974 Ageducatifs Michel Platini
- 1977 Futbol Arg Jrs. Discs Diego Maradona
- 1992 Panini Zinedine Zidane
- 2003 Panini Mega Craques Ronaldo
- 2004 Panini Mega Cracks Lionel Messi

***PLEASE WATCH OUT FOR FAKES!***

Peter_Spaeth · #9 05-18-2019, 03:28 PM

Wouldn't Beckenbauer be on any short list, I thought he was a consensus at least top 5 player?

thelimey · #10 05-18-2019, 04:16 PM

Unfortunately defenders never get the credit they deserve. Beckenbauer, Moore, Baresi, Maldini, Facchetti all brilliant but always looked over. It's crazy how their cards are valued compared to attacking players. Someone like Elias Figueroa won South American footballer of the year three times in a row, just after Pele and just before Zico, yet is almost completely unknown.

samosa4u · #11 05-19-2019, 12:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thelimey

Unfortunately defenders never get the credit they deserve.

Yep, it's like that in all the sports.

Ulidia · #12 05-22-2019, 12:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thelimey

Unfortunately defenders never get the credit they deserve. Beckenbauer, Moore, Baresi, Maldini, Facchetti all brilliant but always looked over. It's crazy how their cards are valued compared to attacking players. Someone like Elias Figueroa won South American footballer of the year three times in a row, just after Pele and just before Zico, yet is almost completely unknown.

I don�t know about his cards but, in terms of English players, Moore would be as iconic as any forward. For example, Geoff Hurst scored the famous hat trick as England defeated West Germany in the 1966 World Cup Final but Moore is still viewed as the legend of that team and the image of him wiping his hands clean using his shirt before he shook hands with the Queen just before lifting the Jukes Rimet trophy is legendary.

Certainly, in terms of match worn items and autographs, Moore would be very collectible - albeit his autograph tends to be more rare simply because he died in 1993 which is much earlier than most players of his era.

Great to see George Best pictured in this thread. A legend across the island of Ireland. Today, at Windsor Park (the Northern Ireland National Stadium), a bronze statue of Best was unveiled. Had he been alive, today would have been his 73rd birthday:

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/s...-38137819.html

aljurgela · #13 05-20-2019, 09:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by samosa4u

The list should include players that are well known around the world. Players like Dixie Dean, G.O. Smith and Billy Meredith are known only in the UK. Here is my list:

- 1946 Monte Cudine Alfredo Di Stefano
- 1947 Nannina Ferenc Puskas
- 1963 Panini Eusebio
- 1964 Barratt George Best
- 1968 Sicker-Verlag Suurbier/Cruyff
- 1974 Ageducatifs Michel Platini
- 1977 Futbol Arg Jrs. Discs Diego Maradona
- 1992 Panini Zinedine Zidane
- 2003 Panini Mega Craques Ronaldo
- 2004 Panini Mega Cracks Lionel Messi

***PLEASE WATCH OUT FOR FAKES!***

I have noticed a trend in most of the lists posted that feel that many more "modern" cards should be added, so I will try to add to that with my "Top 20" modern cards. For those who like "vintage" we can focus that conversation here. For those that like modern, we can have that discussion on another thread. I agree with some of the comments about player knowledge, but that has not always been the only determinant of card attractiveness. I know many "baseball fans" who do not know who Wagner or Josh Gibson where... so carving out Meazza or Meredith or GO Smith just for name recognition is not enough for me to exclude them from my lists. All of the cards that I have shown are pretty special (the story around the 1914 London Mixture Taddy Meredith, or the scarcity of the Circus Girl cards). Anyway..... to each their own....

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