Ebay Shill bidding?

Fballguy · #1 05-19-2019, 12:31 PM

Well Tim...This isn't my thread so not my title to change. If that's indicative of your attention to detail, I guess we know why you only found two.

If there's an app out there that would alert me as soon as my favorite sellers lists an item, I'd like to have that.

swarmee · #2 05-19-2019, 12:34 PM

The eBay app and website allow you to put sellers as part of your search terms on your feed, which they show most recent listings for all your saved searches:
https://www.ebay.com/feed

Tim Zwick · #3 05-19-2019, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Fballguy

Well Tim...This isn't my thread so not my title to change. If that's indicative of your attention to detail, I guess we know why you only found two.

If there's an app out there that would alert me as soon as my favorite sellers lists an item, I'd like to have that.

General statement Rob, never said it was your thread although you're clearly the one who has taken it in the direction it has went and run with it. By the way, you only found four current examples in your posted findings above. Again, much ado about nothing. Apparently reading comprehension and math are gifts not everyone enjoy.

Fballguy · #4 05-19-2019, 01:04 PM

So the original poster suspects shill bidding...but I took it in that direction? What direction did the original post take it then?

If you read my posts they're all in regards to how a bidder can find out about a listing so quickly...and how I can do the same. And what's the point of bidding so quickly? Maybe you should direct your outrage in the right "direction".

Tim Zwick · #5 05-19-2019, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Fballguy

So the original poster suspects shill bidding...but I took it in that direction? What direction did the original post take it then?

If you read my posts they're all in regards to how a bidder can find out about a listing so quickly...and how I can do the same. And what's the point of bidding so quickly? Maybe you should direct your outrage in the right "direction".

Geez Rob, comprehension is quite the challenge for you eh? You're giving that shovel some workout today. You see I am actually quite attentive to details and the OP's original question was basically answered in post #2 by Bobby for all intent and purposes. It was then that you chimed in and took the thread in another direction and have had the large majority of posts since (should that set off alarms like bidder 543?). The OP actually made his final post in the thread right after your original post, then you started on your mission to sully Mr. Richmond's reputation with this bogus snipe hunt about some guy you found that places mostly a lot of $1.00 and $1.05 opening bids on his items. Just what does this have to do with shill bidding anyway? Do you now comprehend? You changed the direction and basically brought another reason to light with your bogus theory for people to bring into question this seller.

You took dead aim at Mr. Richmond with your first post then expanded it even though you showed only four bids from bidder 543 of his current 95 items listed after your deep dive into bidding records until you got tired. Or were these the only current bids you could find? Doesn't matter. Opening bids such as these are harmless. Then after about 24 hours when no one was taking your bait you post some dribble about this "interesting bidding phenomenon" to try and stir some response to your conspiracy ideals. Then the final straw was earlier today when you made your crack about Mr. 543 bidding on "every listing the guy puts out there."

I don't opine often here but will when I see unwarranted character assassination and something like this take place. There are plenty of good eBay sellers here on Net54 that I would take the same position on and support them also. Look we learned in this thread both how bids can be made so quickly and also how to get recent listings quickly through an app feed (Thanks John!). As I said before, there are plenty of bad actors out there - why not concentrate your efforts where they're more useful instead of at an honest seller who's just collateral damage in your misguided trek?

Buythatcard · #6 05-19-2019, 06:27 PM

There is also the possibility that this seller puts out an eBay newsletter. He can show all his new listings in the newsletter. The buyer might have signed up for his newsletter. So, as soon as he gets the newsletter, he places his bids.

I have several regular buyers who bid on multiple items as soon as it listed.

RCMcKenzie · #7 05-19-2019, 06:34 PM

I'm surprised Tim is the only one standing up for Jon, so I will reluctantly chime in. I bought from him in like 1998, and a few times later. He once admonished me because I said in an ebay auction, "I have been buying and selling vintage baseball cards for twenty years." He sent me an ebay email when that was a thing, like darby's does/did, and said, "who are you? 20 years? I've never seen you." I explained that I was not saying that I was a circuit dealer for 20 years, but it was true that I had "bought and sold vintage cards for 20 years." Funny to see this dealer now tied up in all of this. If you list at .99 like we all want you to, the cuckoos will come out.

Fballguy · #8 05-19-2019, 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Tim Zwick

Geez Rob, comprehension is quite the challenge for you eh? You're giving that shovel some workout today. You see I am actually quite attentive to details and the OP's original question was basically answered in post #2 by Bobby for all intent and purposes. It was then that you chimed in and took the thread in another direction and have had the large majority of posts since (should that set off alarms like bidder 543?). The OP actually made his final post in the thread right after your original post, then you started on your mission to sully Mr. Richmond's reputation with this bogus snipe hunt about some guy you found that places mostly a lot of $1.00 and $1.05 opening bids on his items. Just what does this have to do with shill bidding anyway? Do you now comprehend? You changed the direction and basically brought another reason to light with your bogus theory for people to bring into question this seller.

You took dead aim at Mr. Richmond with your first post then expanded it even though you showed only four bids from bidder 543 of his current 95 items listed after your deep dive into bidding records until you got tired. Or were these the only current bids you could find? Doesn't matter. Opening bids such as these are harmless. Then after about 24 hours when no one was taking your bait you post some dribble about this "interesting bidding phenomenon" to try and stir some response to your conspiracy ideals. Then the final straw was earlier today when you made your crack about Mr. 543 bidding on "every listing the guy puts out there."

I don't opine often here but will when I see unwarranted character assassination and something like this take place. There are plenty of good eBay sellers here on Net54 that I would take the same position on and support them also. Look we learned in this thread both how bids can be made so quickly and also how to get recent listings quickly through an app feed (Thanks John!). As I said before, there are plenty of bad actors out there - why not concentrate your efforts where they're more useful instead of at an honest seller who's just collateral damage in your misguided trek?

You seem exceptionally dim but I have to ask. Why do you keep bringing up "current" bids? What difference does it make if they're current or not?

You apparently aren't very familiar with ebay so to you it's not odd that there's a bidder that likes to bid immediately then never again...repeatedly. I spend a lot of time researching sale prices and auction results on ebay and to me it's unusual. I'm just curious as to what the advantage or point of it is.

And if you're compelled to bloviate another wall of moronic words in response, make sure you include a direct quote in which I accused anyone of anything. If you can't do that....then just stop typing.

RCMcKenzie · #9 05-19-2019, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Fballguy

You seem exceptionally dim but I have to ask. Why do you keep bringing up "current" bids? What difference does it make if they're current or not?

You apparently aren't very familiar with ebay so to you it's not odd that there's a bidder that likes to bid immediately then never again...repeatedly. I spend a lot of time researching sale prices and auction results on ebay and to me it's unusual. I'm just curious as to what the advantage or point of it is.

And if you're compelled to bloviate another wall of moronic words in response, make sure you include a direct quote in which I accused anyone of anything. If you can't do that....then just stop typing.

The guy you are attacking and the seller you are attacking are not the bad guys. It's as simple as that.

Fballguy · #10 05-19-2019, 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by RCMcKenzie

The guy you are attacking and the seller you are attacking are not the bad guys. It's as simple as that.

Where did I attack anyone? Quote me please. I've been buying from this seller for at least 10 years and have an item en route as I type. It's the bidder I'm curious about.

RCMcKenzie · #11 05-19-2019, 06:49 PM

If you want to chime in with your NY atty buddies, Jeff and Peter, about Doug A., then I will stand idly by. Rob

swarmee · #12 05-19-2019, 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Fballguy

You apparently aren't very familiar with ebay so to you it's not odd that there's a bidder that likes to bid immediately then never again...repeatedly. I spend a lot of time researching sale prices and auction results on ebay and to me it's unusual. I'm just curious as to what the advantage or point of it is.

I do it regularly on items that I want to show up in my bids page, and usually to get rid of a Best Offer option on items; eBay notifies you more often on the app if you've placed a bid than if you just watch it. Then I pay attention to those items and if I want to win it, place a snipe bid at the end. If the bidding exceeds what I would pay, I never bid again. So that's the point. Just another way to watch an item.

thecatspajamas · #13 05-21-2019, 07:26 AM

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Originally Posted by swarmee

I do it regularly on items that I want to show up in my bids page, and usually to get rid of a Best Offer option on items; eBay notifies you more often on the app if you've placed a bid than if you just watch it. Then I pay attention to those items and if I want to win it, place a snipe bid at the end. If the bidding exceeds what I would pay, I never bid again. So that's the point. Just another way to watch an item.

This exactly.

When the opening bid price is 99 cents, and the seller has as varied and eclectic material as Jon does, there are bound to be any number of bidders waiting in the weeds for his next round of listings. That one of them catches them within minutes of new listings appearing is not all that surprising to me (I have been OCD enough to do so with sellers' listings by refreshing their store page over and over on days I knew them to be listing, and it wouldn't surprise me to learn that there are apps that would do the same and send an alert when new items populate). When the starting price is low, it can be easier to place an initial bid on all the items one is interested in than to "Watch" them. I have done this as well with various sellers over the years, particularly when my Watch List nears being maxed out (there is a limit to how many items you can "watch", but there is no limit to how many items you can bid on).

Incidentally, while it's been a while since I've bought from Jon, I have dealt with him a number of times over the years. I'm typically looking for deals to re-sell later, and there are bound to be some from time to time when everything starts at 99 cents. If he was shilling me at any point, he was doing it wrong

He always seems to take the "you win some, you lose some" attitude when selling, and continues to grind out auction after auction, all with the same 99-cent starting price that I wish I had the guts to emulate (cuts down on lingering backstock!) While I too have never met him in person, I have never had reason to suspect Jon of any wrongdoing. Ebay bidders can be weird, plain and simple, and it seems unfortunate to me that an odd bidder is causing anyone to doubt Jon's business ethics in this case.

Mark17 · #14 05-19-2019, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Fballguy

I'm just curious as to what the advantage or point of it is.

There would be no advantage to the seller, which makes the whole notion of the buyer and seller in some sort of bidding collusion, silly.

The advantage to the bidder is that once in awhile he may win something at a great price. I know there have been items I've been very interested in but wanted to wait until the end to bid, and then either forgot, or when I tried to place my bid, ebay made me go through the login process and I didn't get my bid in, and the item went way too cheap.

I play chess online a lot. At some sites, my games last less than 10 moves because some kid who only knows how the pieces move decides to play in the Advanced lounge. It's a waste of time for me, but I suppose the kid likes to think he's playing chess. So when I see this type of ebay bidding, I do not immediately assume some nefarious master strategy at work - I figure it's kids without huge resources, who like to bid, and hope maybe they'll get lucky now and then.

By the way, I used to deal frequently with Tim about 30 years ago, and he's one of the really good guys I remember from those days, so I think insults directed towards him say more about you, frankly.

Fballguy · #15 05-19-2019, 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Mark17

There would be no advantage to the seller, which makes the whole notion of the buyer and seller in some sort of bidding collusion, silly.

The advantage to the bidder is that once in awhile he may win something at a great price. I know there have been items I've been very interested in but wanted to wait until the end to bid, and then either forgot, or when I tried to place my bid, ebay made me go through the login process and I didn't get my bid in, and the item went way too cheap.

I play chess online a lot. At some sites, my games last less than 10 moves because some kid who only knows how the pieces move decides to play in the Advanced lounge. It's a waste of time for me, but I suppose the kid likes to think he's playing chess. So when I see this type of ebay bidding, I do not immediately assume some nefarious master strategy at work - I figure it's kids without huge resources, who like to bid, and hope maybe they'll get lucky now and then.

By the way, I used to deal frequently with Tim about 30 years ago, and he's one of the really good guys I remember from those days, so I think insults directed towards him say more about you, frankly.

Nobody ever said it was an advantage to the seller. I'm trying to understand the motivation of the bidder. Haven't you picked up on that yet? Despite my repeatedly stating it? I think the notion of "maybe winning something at a great price" is a little far fetched when you consider the calibre of items being bid on.

As for Tim...He came in guns blazing. Nobody took potshots at him first.

Tim Zwick · #16 05-19-2019, 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Fballguy

You seem exceptionally dim but I have to ask. Why do you keep bringing up "current" bids? What difference does it make if they're current or not?

You apparently aren't very familiar with ebay so to you it's not odd that there's a bidder that likes to bid immediately then never again...repeatedly. I spend a lot of time researching sale prices and auction results on ebay and to me it's unusual. I'm just curious as to what the advantage or point of it is.

And if you're compelled to bloviate another wall of moronic words in response, make sure you include a direct quote in which I accused anyone of anything. If you can't do that....then just stop typing.

I'm not the guy that said he bids on "every listing the guy puts out there." That was you and is completely false - so have it your way, it's inconsequential. If it's current or not and no matter whatever number you pull from the air it's just simply not true - 2, 4, 20, 200 it doesn't matter. I don't care, it's not the point and apparently you still don't even realize what you've done with this thread. Just how do you suppose the guy got up to a 543 with 100% feedback if he never wins an item? Is it another seller's account? Why do you care so much about some joker that places $1.00 bids on items? Big deal!

You call it bloviating, I call it laying out the facts. That's the trouble with facts, they don't go away and they don't change. I notice you haven't disputed any, just mockery and the hurling of insults as a response. The truth hurts sometimes doesn't it sport. As far as me coming in guns a blazing, you better go read that first post again - I didn't get punchy until you called me a liar and started with the ridicule.

I'm going to take your advice though and quit typing, you're a lost cause and not worth the effort. It's obvious King Rob is just going to sit on his throne and pass judgement no matter how ill advised. I think ol' Dim Tim will go log on to eBay too. After nearly 20 years as a seller and over 20,000 positive feedbacks, I guess I better start to get familiar with it.

gabrinus · #17 05-20-2019, 06:15 PM

When I was selling on ebay there were people who bid immediately after I posted...I think some people have alerts on their account when someone posts cards for sell...I agree with Tim and Robert that Jon has been around forever and I don't recall any issues with him...Jerry

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