My exceptional PWCC pickup.

[CobbSpikedMe]

I watched a little bit of it so far. He elaborates on what conservation is and how it is when you can't tell that something has been done to the card. If you can tell something was done then it's altering. My questions are as follows:

1. If you can't tell something was done to the card, then what is the debate about which it is (Conserved or Altered) since you can't see it anyway.
2. What about when collectors like those on BO prove the card has been trimmed or worked on? Isn't that now alteration per Brent's own words in the video?

He's digging a deeper and deeper hole here.

Andy Huntoon

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by CobbSpikedMe

I watched a little bit of it so far. He elaborates on what conservation is and how it is when you can't tell that something has been done to the card. If you can tell something was done then it's altering. My questions are as follows:

1. If you can't tell something was done to the card, then what is the debate about which it is (Conserved or Altered) since you can't see it anyway.
2. What about when collectors like those on BO prove the card has been trimmed or worked on? Isn't that now alteration per Brent's own words in the video?

He's digging a deeper and deeper hole here.

Andy Huntoon

There are people who, if you give them a rope, will use it to hang themselves. Some of that going on, perhaps.

[Rhotchkiss]

I am very interested to see the effect this has on the consignments and prices brought in the next few pwcc auctions. Thoughts?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss

I am very interested to see the effect this has on the consignments and prices brought in the next few pwcc auctions. Thoughts?

I think it will take a lot more to slow down the train than is out there so far. I doubt most buyers are even aware of recent events. Stuff and flips will prevail.

[CobbSpikedMe]

Unfortunately Ryan, I don't think it will change the prices realized by PWCC auctions much. The vast majority of bidders in their auctions don't follow this story and aren't going to fall into this youtube video by accident. They will continue to bid like crazy. IMHO.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by CobbSpikedMe

Unfortunately Ryan, I don't think it will change the prices realized by PWCC auctions much. The vast majority of bidders in their auctions don't follow this story and aren't going to fall into this youtube video by accident. They will continue to bid like crazy. IMHO.

Especially for those nifty stickers.

[CobbSpikedMe]

Precisely Peter. How long until there is a PWCC registry to compete with PSA where their stickers come into play. You can invest in assets, keep them in the Vault to save on sales tax, still see your cards in the virtual world from the registry and then sell your assets from the Vault when you want to cash in.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by CobbSpikedMe

Precisely Peter. How long until there is a PWCC registry to compete with PSA where their stickers come into play. You can invest in assets, keep them in the Vault to save on sales tax, still see your cards in the virtual world from the registry and then sell your assets from the Vault when you want to cash in.

Yup. And get investment advice too. Vertical integration at its finest, or something like that. Maybe they'll start a "conservation" service too, after all it's legit apparently.

[Rhotchkiss]

I am not sure I agree- there are a lot of eyes on this board and it’s all the rage on other boards. I think there will be some effect; maybe people will limit their bidding to only the “must haves” on pwcc for a while (bc stuff does trump all). I guess we will find out soon enough.

That said, I do agree that this scandal, like scandals past, will do little to slow the popularity and increasing prices of cards.

[swarmee]

One of the blowout guys says he found that Moser bought 200 NM-MT 1952-1970s cards on eBay from Greg Morris Cards. So all cards through PWCC should basically be suspect at this point. They claimed they were going to remove cards from their auctions from known fraudsters, but that doesn't seem to be happening.
All those loyal bidders who don't read message boards would notice if wide swaths of the auction lots were suddenly cancelled. Many should also be getting notified by PWCC when they already purchased a card determined to be trimmed or consigned by a known scammer.

Forbes (Seideman) has been suspiciously silent about the matter. Maybe it doesn't jive with their promotional tour for sports collectibles.

But hey, everything's hunky-dory. Let's break ground on another vault...

[Fuddjcal]

Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss

I am not sure I agree- there are a lot of eyes on this board and it’s all the rage on other boards. I think there will be some effect; maybe people will limit their bidding to only the “must haves” on pwcc for a while (bc stuff does trump all). I guess we will find out soon enough.

That said, I do agree that this scandal, like scandals past, will do little to slow the popularity and increasing prices of cards.

I will limit myself to no more must haves, especially no haves from PWCC