Brent/PWCC interview on recent controversies

glynparson · #1 05-20-2019, 10:50 AM

I don't think i have shaken my head so often and said you are full of shit more times in one hour in my entire life. I can not disagree more than i do with 99% of what he says. I had used them several times to sell for me. i don't think i will ever again. i just can't in good conscience despite the strong prices i received and the relatively quick payments. i am in this for the long haul and i don't think what he is trying to do is helpful for the hobby. I'll stick with REA and a couple other reputable sellers to consign with.

slipk1068 · #2 05-20-2019, 11:04 AM

Most of you folks are a lot more patient than I am. I made it to the 8 minute mark before the steam was shooting out my ears, and I had to shut it down.

swarmee · #3 05-20-2019, 11:11 AM

I listened to most of the rest of it at work this morning. I was glad he owned up to being a fence ("front" in his terms) for bad actors, but it seems he won't out anyone who confesses, apologizes, and reimburses those who were scammed. He believes all of these criminals are worthy of staying in the hobby as long as they promise not to do it again...

He says that he is working to identify "conservators" who he can point people to in order to improve the look of their cards, and anyone who thinks this is alteration just needs to "mature" like other markets. He didn't say if Dick Towle was on that list.

Things I do agree with that he said: the bad actor information needs to be freely shared between auction houses and grading companies so this doesn't become a case of "pass the trash." He referenced the plan that blowout member Superdan is working to catalog all these altered cards onto a website so that the info doesn't get lost to internet losses.

I disagree that the six to eight already outed by Blowout are redeemable in the hobby, and I would love for Brent to turn over his information on their consignments to law enforcement.

calvindog · #4 05-20-2019, 11:19 AM

He's doing so many good things for the hobby, I don't understand what the problem is.

glynparson · #5 05-20-2019, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by calvindog

He's doing so many good things for the hobby, I don't understand what the problem is.

LOL.

The interview had me between laughing and yelling at the screen. I didn't get when he said nobody has accused them of wrongdoing. I think we both know someone who has.

Peter_Spaeth · #6 05-20-2019, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by glynparson

LOL.

The interview had me between laughing and yelling at the screen. I didn't get when he said nobody has accused them of wrongdoing. I think we both know someone who has.

Kind of like when he claimed noone had ever questioned his scans and I linked a post on CU where he had recently responded to just such a charge.

Peter_Spaeth · #7 05-20-2019, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by glynparson

LOL.

The interview had me between laughing and yelling at the screen. I didn't get when he said nobody has accused them of wrongdoing. I think we both know someone who has.

He is probably playing word games and defining accused to mean a formal charge by law enforcement.

frankbmd · #8 05-20-2019, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

He is probably playing word games and defining accused to mean a formal charge by law enforcement.

Who on earth would resort to word play to communicate in their alternative universe?

Could such an individual also be a Scrabble Master, or perhaps be competent in solving cryptic crosswords.

Peter_Spaeth · #9 05-20-2019, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by calvindog

He's doing so many good things for the hobby, I don't understand what the problem is.

You mean the investment community.

calvindog · #10 05-20-2019, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

You mean the investment community.

You're a bad person. First you rip Mastro and now Brent.

irv · #11 05-20-2019, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by glynparson

I don't think i have shaken my head so often and said you are full of shit more times in one hour in my entire life. I can not disagree more than i do with 99% of what he says. I had used them several times to sell for me. i don't think i will ever again. i just can't in good conscience despite the strong prices i received and the relatively quick payments. i am in this for the long haul and i don't think what he is trying to do is helpful for the hobby. I'll stick with REA and a couple other reputable sellers to consign with.

Quote:

Originally Posted by glynparson

LOL.

The interview had me between laughing and yelling at the screen. I didn't get when he said nobody has accused them of wrongdoing. I think we both know someone who has.

Glyn, I have always noticed you to be a staunch supporter of PSA grading so I am curious, in light of these recent developments here and on BO, if your good thoughts on PSA still remain?

I will admit, after reading some of your posts, you had me swaying back sometimes thinking maybe I was being too critical of them, but I can tell you with a 100% certainty now, I will never be swayed back based on what I have seen and learned on these 2 sites within the last couple weeks.

Peter_Spaeth · #12 05-20-2019, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by swarmee

I listened to most of the rest of it at work this morning. I was glad he owned up to being a fence ("front" in his terms) for bad actors, but it seems he won't out anyone who confesses, apologizes, and reimburses those who were scammed. He believes all of these criminals are worthy of staying in the hobby as long as they promise not to do it again...

He says that he is working to identify "conservators" who he can point people to in order to improve the look of their cards, and anyone who thinks this is alteration just needs to "mature" like other markets. He didn't say if Dick Towle was on that list.

Things I do agree with that he said: the bad actor information needs to be freely shared between auction houses and grading companies so this doesn't become a case of "pass the trash." He referenced the plan that blowout member Superdan is working to catalog all these altered cards onto a website so that the info doesn't get lost to internet losses.

I disagree that the six to eight already outed by Blowout are redeemable in the hobby, and I would love for Brent to turn over his information on their consignments to law enforcement.

6 to 8?? There have been dozens.

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