Its not just moser/pwcc...more trimmers exposed

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by CuriousGeorge

I’m in.

We have to have a time limit. What do you think is fair?

[Kenny Cole]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

We have to have a time limit. What do you think is fair?

Are you just talking about a bet on knowingly being part of a conspiracy which involves selling altered cards or is shilling part of the bet too? Because if the feds do look, I suspect that they will look at both, and maybe some other stuff as well.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Kenny Cole

Are you just talking about a bet on knowingly being part of a conspiracy which involves selling altered cards or is shilling part of the bet too? Because if the feds do look, I suspect that they will look at both, and maybe some other stuff as well.

I don't think they'll have to look very far on the first prong, based on what I've seen on Blowout, and elsewhere.

[Kenny Cole]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I don't think they'll have to look very far on the first prong, based on what I've seen on Blowout, and elsewhere.

I'm not sure they'd have to look very far on the second prong either. I was just trying to establish the parameters.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by Kenny Cole

Are you just talking about a bet on knowingly being part of a conspiracy which involves selling altered cards or is shilling part of the bet too? Because if the feds do look, I suspect that they will look at both, and maybe some other stuff as well.

I'll make it easy. Any conviction at all. I don't care if it's for unpaid library fines.

Edited to add: But there has to be a time limit. Within one year?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

I'll make it easy. Any conviction at all. I don't care if it's for unpaid library fines.

Edited to add: But there has to be a time limit. Within one year?

An indictment is not a conviction, nor is a year a realistic timeframe for a federal investigation.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

An indictment is not a conviction, nor is a year a realistic timeframe for a federal investigation.

Right. My bad. I said indictment, that's the bet.

If a year is not sufficient, why are people so concerned about the upcoming National, as if something big (arrests is what I believe was alluded to) is going to happen there?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

Right. My bad. I said indictment, that's the bet.

If a year is not sufficient, why are people so concerned about the upcoming National, as if something big (arrests is what I believe was alluded to) is going to happen there?

I have no idea, you'll have to ask them. Maybe they're expecting to see some confrontations with PWCC, Beckett, PSA, etc. Maybe by then subpoenas could be served. Not sure.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

It's, to me, very similar to a situation in poker a few years back where a previous WSOP Main Event winner was founder of a poker site that was later discovered to be actively cheating the players by giving him and anyone he designated super-user status where they could see the other players cards.

By the online reaction you'd have thought He would've been risking death if he showed his face at the WSOP ever again. When he did there were a few snide remarks, but the internet vigilantes were, amazingly, nowhere to be found.

This has nothing to do with law enforcement issues, but with the internet muscles that people think will lead to live confrontation at an industry event.

[egbeachley]

Tip of the iceberg. It’s gaining momentum. Even the doubters and supporters from the early Blowout threads are turning as they realize ALL graded cards are suspect.

This will be one heck of a National.