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Old 05-28-2019, 09:56 PM
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It's a lot to digest Bobby, I know. I am seeing the same thing. The detectives over there are uncovering MASSIVE amounts of cards that have been doctored. To the degree that I am totally dumbfounded and sickened at the amount of deception that one person in particular has bestowed upon us.
Cliffnotes version: Card doctor buys cards from PWCC, doctors them, PWCC submits them for him raw, then sells them in higher slabs. Over and over and over again, and they're just starting over there.
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Old 05-28-2019, 10:00 PM
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Cliffnotes version: Card doctor buys cards from PWCC, doctors them, PWCC submits them for him raw, then sells them in higher slabs. Over and over and over again, and they're just starting over there.
I have asked multiple times for proof of this, but my requests have gone ignored. If it's been posted, then I simply overlooked it so please re-post.
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Old 05-28-2019, 10:03 PM
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I have not seen it either. Brent does admit that he has submitted cards for clients, but has never said who those clients were. Maybe his lawyer finally told him to zip it.
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I have asked multiple times for proof of this, but my requests have gone ignored. If it's been posted, then I simply overlooked it so please re-post.
David I know they concluded that, and I do recall he admitted subbing the DiMaggio card, but I can't recall all the steps in their reasoning. But he clearly knew what this individual did to cards, I can attest to that myself from conversations.
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I have asked multiple times for proof of this, but my requests have gone ignored. If it's been posted, then I simply overlooked it so please re-post.
There were some auctions by PWCC that stated that the cards he was selling came from a raw collection that PWCC was selling (graded) and they were Moser trim jobs. I believe that is where that assumption came from initially. Also the fact that Brent has never denied doing so (that I have seen) also tends to indicate it probably occurred.
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I have asked multiple times for proof of this, but my requests have gone ignored. If it's been posted, then I simply overlooked it so please re-post.

Look for the Joe DiMaggio thread on Blowout. That implicates PWCC. Timelines and everything... There are several threads where BODA folks have been able to figure out who submitted cards, the timelines and when they were sold, some cases several times....As someone else has mentioned reading the threads will answer your questions...
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Look for the Joe DiMaggio thread on Blowout. That implicates PWCC. Timelines and everything... There are several threads where BODA folks have been able to figure out who submitted cards, the timelines and when they were sold, some cases several times....As someone else has mentioned reading the threads will answer your questions...
Yep. Forgive my venting but the tactic of refusing to read all the relevant threads and then expressing skepticism and demanding proof is getting really lame.
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Yep. Forgive my venting but the tactic of refusing to read all the relevant threads and then expressing skepticism and demanding proof is getting really lame.
I agree...
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Gee I wonder how many folks will be buying PSA slabbed assets at the national now that this whole fraud thing is blowing up? Feel bad for the dealers that are spending thousands to set up and may not sell much....
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Gee I wonder how many folks will be buying PSA slabbed assets at the national now that this whole fraud thing is blowing up? Feel bad for the dealers that are spending thousands to set up and may not sell much....
Not to worry, the band will play on.
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Anybody have a link to the PWCC Dimaggio stuff on blowout?
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Anybody have a link to the PWCC Dimaggio stuff on blowout?
Rob it was right here, maybe two years ago?

Here you are.
http://www.net54baseball.com/showthr...light=dimaggio
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Yep. Forgive my venting but the tactic of refusing to read all the relevant threads and then expressing skepticism and demanding proof is getting really lame.
The hobby is filled with too many high IQ hard workers that it’s a wonder any fraud ever goes undetected.
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