T206 Wagner PSA 2 sold for $1.2M

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by calvindog

Maybe it didn’t sell for $1.2 million. Wouldn’t that make more sense?

Early on in the hobby, pre-internet days, when I was telling a dealer friend some prices realized by an AH made no sense, he pointed out that anyone can report any price they like.

[oldjudge]

Is it a crime to report a baseball card transaction which never took place? I know in the natural gas industry guys have gone to jail for 5+ years for reporting sales that never took place.

[oldjudge]

Steve-I can't find the article you posted, but the articles I did find had Koehler discussing the card, but not explicitly saying that he had brokered the deal. Do you have one stating that Kohler was involved in the transaction?

[Steve D]

Originally Posted by oldjudge

Steve-I can't find the article you posted, but the articles I did find had Koehler discussing the card, but not explicitly saying that he had brokered the deal. Do you have one stating that Kohler was involved in the transaction?

Here's the article by Rich Mueller:

https://www.sportscollectorsdaily.co...r-1-2-million/

Quote: "The PSA 2 (Good) example sold privately this week for $1.2 million, according to SCP Auctions, which brokered the transaction."

Here's the article on TMZ:

https://www.tmz.com/2019/05/29/honus...llion-dollars/

Quote: "The private sale was brokered by SCP Auctions in SoCal."

Additionally, every website carrying the story quotes David Kohler of SCP Auctions. Why would he be quoted about it, and why would he even know which PSA 2 Wagner was involved, if he isn't involved in the sale, and the person releasing the information?

Steve

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by oldjudge

Is it a crime to report a baseball card transaction which never took place? I know in the natural gas industry guys have gone to jail for 5+ years for reporting sales that never took place.

Yes, it can be a crime.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by calvindog

Yes, it can be a crime.

RICO?

[swarmee]

Logical questions:

1a) Is it also a crime to leave up a sold price from a card that was never paid for?
1b) Or one that was refunded for any reason? This also bleeds into the PWCC/PSA/BGS scandal.

2a) Are VCP/APR/PWCC sold prices tools tainted by thousands of fake sales or refunded sales?
2b) How will these be identified and swept out of the databases?

3) Does Mile High do reserves?

4) Who is the mystery buyer/consignor?

5) Should auctionhouses name their consignors of every item going forward due to this scandal? If Moser/Burge/Tormollan/etc submit under a different name, but the name is now displayed in the listing, are their buddies really going to submit on their behalf?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by swarmee

Logical questions:

1a) Is it also a crime to leave up a sold price from a card that was never paid for?
1b) Or one that was refunded for any reason? This also bleeds into the PWCC/PSA/BGS scandal.

2a) Are VCP/APR/PWCC sold prices tools tainted by thousands of fake sales or refunded sales?
2b) How will these be identified and swept out of the databases?

3) Does Mile High do reserves?

4) Who is the mystery buyer/consignor?

5) Should auctionhouses name their consignors of every item going forward due to this scandal? If Moser/Burge/Tormollan/etc submit under a different name, but the name is now displayed in the listing, are their buddies really going to submit on their behalf?

IMO, given the number of cards many of these AHs get from card doctors, I seriously doubt this will happen. And I could see why even an AH that wasn't taking (knowingly) any cards from bad sources would want to safeguard the ID of their clients absent express permission.

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by peter_spaeth

rico? :d

lol

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by calvindog

lol

I hear it's easy to bring those claims.

[sando69]

hmmmmm, peter….
wonder which ah that could have been...

[steve B]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I hear it's easy to bring those claims.

Being a total amateur I expect I'd mess it up somehow.

Judge " why do you think this is a rico case"
Me " well.... the guy who sold me the card had one of those sleeveless t-shirt things, too many gold chains and some really shady looking sunglasses... "

Thanks, I'll be here all week. Don't forget to tip the bartender!