PWCC Statement on Recent Card Trimming Concerns

Peter_Spaeth · #1 06-02-2019, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by swarmee

Brent has been fencing cards for up to 10 different revealed scammers. I would like to see all of those on the list too (PSA,BGS). I would like those companies to COMPLETELY DECERTIFY ALL THOSE NUMBERS.

You don't get what you don't ask for.

You might blow up a few collections. Or more than a few.

swarmee · #2 06-02-2019, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

You might blow up a few collections. Or more than a few.

Collateral Damage; you think everyone will know at that point? All collectors will know.

Peter_Spaeth · #3 06-02-2019, 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by swarmee

Collateral Damage; you think everyone will know at that point? All collectors will know.

A lot of collectors are just in it for the money and ego though, at the high end of things. Not all of course.

Peter_Spaeth · #4 06-02-2019, 07:20 PM

PSA has a very tough needle to thread, on the one hand the people who hate altered cards and are livid are going to demand major change; on the other hand people with major bucks tied up in collections may resist that change if it means taking away some of their high grade cards.

swarmee · #5 06-02-2019, 07:22 PM

They can turn them in now or see their value plummet in 6 months.

Peter_Spaeth · #6 06-02-2019, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by swarmee

They can turn them in now or see their value plummet in 6 months.

I think ultimately for many of these folks when push comes to shove the flip is going to trump the card.

benjulmag · #7 06-02-2019, 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I think ultimately for many of these folks when push comes to shove the flip is going to trump the card.

Should the day come that substance triumphs over form and to hold value vintage high-grade cards will have to pass muster under a new kind of grading service that makes use of what technology can (in a cost-effective manner) reveal with regard to alterations, the flip might not triumph. I get it that such a scenario might be wishful thinking. However, I can see a path how it can come about -- a new grading service comes into being employing such technology while accompanied by a pronounced and well-run marketing campaign which exposes the significant likelihood that high-grade vintage cards with old flips are altered. Or maybe even SGC could bring it about it they ever get their act together and are willing to spend the bucks and engage the right marketing experts, while at the same time investing in such technology. This is not the hobby of yesteryear where cards sold for tens or hundreds of dollars, and thousand dollar cards were anomalies. We are now routinely in 5, 6 and 7 figure category, and it is about time our evaluation methods caught up.

How many posts have there been that the net54 community is only a very small subset of the collecting community, and that what is common knowledge on this Board is not generally known outside it. Well, change that reality and then there might (finally) be the real change so many of us are clamoring for.

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