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Old 06-03-2019, 04:35 PM
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On something like this I would defer to investment professionals who understand the risks and advantages of shorting and the dynamics of a particular security, I wouldn't do it just as a casual investor who thinks based on some message board activity the stock is going down. People who do stuff like that get eaten alive. Now a professional may well evaluate all the facts and say yeah it's a good risk, just saying it's complicated.
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On something like this I would defer to investment professionals who understand the risks and advantages of shorting, I wouldn't do it just as a casual investor who thinks based on some message board activity the stock is going down. People who do stuff like that get eaten alive. Now a professional may well evaluate all the facts and say yeah it's a good risk, just saying it's complicated.

A professional would look at it and say - its too small and event risk is not yet defined...
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On something like this I would defer to investment professionals who understand the risks and advantages of shorting and the dynamics of a particular security, I wouldn't do it just as a casual investor who thinks based on some message board activity the stock is going down. People who do stuff like that get eaten alive. Now a professional may well evaluate all the facts and say yeah it's a good risk, just saying it's complicated.
Are you nuts? You’d defer to an investment professional instead of shooting your fool mouth off about something you have no education or experience in? What is wrong with you?
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Are you nuts? You’d defer to an investment professional instead of shooting your fool mouth off about something you have no education or experience in? What is wrong with you?
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I like how the quote resembles the "bring the pain" phrase.

Edit 2: Disclaimer: This is not to be considered financial advice.
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Are you nuts? You’d defer to an investment professional instead of shooting your fool mouth off about something you have no education or experience in? What is wrong with you?
Where's the fun in that?
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On something like this I would defer to investment professionals who understand the risks and advantages of shorting and the dynamics of a particular security, I wouldn't do it just as a casual investor who thinks based on some message board activity the stock is going down. People who do stuff like that get eaten alive. Now a professional may well evaluate all the facts and say yeah it's a good risk, just saying it's complicated.
You have more sense than the average investor trading on margin, at least in my personal experience.

Oh, how I hope to see NASDAQ delist CLCT at some point in the not too distant future.
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Interesting to watch CLCT trade. It is amazing how 100 share lots can move this stock so easily.

These guys putting on their little short positions are just racing it lower and if they want to cover will race it right back up.

The bid ask spread on this stock makes it such a challenging trading stock.

It will be interesting to see what happens with this 2,700 share offer right here.
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Y'all realize it's doubled since January? 9% down could be just profit taking. Wait the sky is falling
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Y'all realize it's doubled since January? 9% down could be just profit taking. Wait the sky is falling
It may very well be just that.

These guys saying they were going to short it and buy puts definitely did yesterday. The open interest in the January 2020 Puts moved up a lot. Those are very tough options to be playing with.
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Do the folks openly wishing for the demise of PSA & CLCT not own any PSA graded cards? Do they care that many people on this board could be materially affected by that outcome? Some of those people whom they would proabbly consider a friend.

Seems like a curious stance to me.
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Do the folks openly wishing for the demise of PSA & CLCT not own any PSA graded cards? Do they care that many people on this board could be materially affected by that outcome? Some of those people whom they would proabbly consider a friend.

Seems like a curious stance to me.
The fraud is so pervasive we should just let it keep happening!
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Do the folks openly wishing for the demise of PSA & CLCT not own any PSA graded cards? Do they care that many people on this board could be materially affected by that outcome? Some of those people whom they would proabbly consider a friend.

Seems like a curious stance to me.
Scott puts his finger on exactly why the truth has stayed beneath the surface for so long. Why dealers and major collectors who absolutely knew the extent of this kept quiet. Why it took a few guys on BO, like the kid who pointed out the emperor had no clothes, to open the can of worms.
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Do the folks openly wishing for the demise of PSA & CLCT not own any PSA graded cards? Do they care that many people on this board could be materially affected by that outcome? Some of those people whom they would proabbly consider a friend.

Seems like a curious stance to me.
I knew this attitude was widespread, but this is the most clearly I have seen it articulated yet...

We may (and should) take some short-term financial hits, but purely for the betterment of the hobby on a long-term basis. Another TPG or two will undoubtedly emerge when PSA goes down. Or perhaps raw cards will make a comeback. I am hoping for the latter, as I personally feel TPGs corrupt the hobby and their grades do not do not accurately convey a card's true condition or aesthetic appeal.

If they could simply (and correctly) identify a card as altered or original, and let us decide the number grade for ourselves, then I might feel differently. But they cannot even detect obvious alterations at this point. So under this current system... What's the point of having it?
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Do the folks openly wishing for the demise of PSA & CLCT not own any PSA graded cards? Do they care that many people on this board could be materially affected by that outcome? Some of those people whom they would proabbly consider a friend.

Seems like a curious stance to me.
I am wishing less for the demise of PSA and more for the rise of a TPG that can restore confidence to a market that has been undone by the internet, which ironically fueled the fire for so long. This is the first time in the hobby's history that before and after pics are so prevalent. It is what exposed the signed T206 scandal, and it is what is exposing all of this awful tampering.

Even though I have dozens of autographed pre-war cards, I say shine the light on the fraud. Let's get this mess cleaned up and do things the right way. I don't have a viable solution, but that doesn't mean I want to live with the problem.
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