1952 Bowman Stan Musial PSA 10 on eBay :o

barrysloate · #1 06-08-2019, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Look what he DID do in this case, why speculate? There are before and after pics on BO. I give up, Dave and I seem to be the only ones posting who understand this in context.

I just looked at the pictures on BO again, and the before and after look identical. Can anybody discern what was done to the 9 to improve it? My eyes aren't perfect, but they look the same to me.

Peter_Spaeth · #2 06-08-2019, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by barrysloate

I just looked at the pictures on BO again, and the before and after look identical. Can anybody discern what was done to the 9 to improve it? My eyes aren't perfect, but they look the same to me.

Yes, they analyzed the recoloring over there.

swarmee · #3 06-08-2019, 03:26 PM

Colored print dot on front left border white.
Colored some of the red line on shoulder red to fill gaps.
Colored the whitish spot on the sleeve blue to match.
Colored the gap in the bottom right of the A on back in black to hide.

As well as, the PSA 9 might have also been altered prior to because it doesn't have either left or right edge with a rough cut, which would seem to indicate it was trimmed or sheet cut.

Peter_Spaeth · #4 06-08-2019, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by swarmee

Colored print dot on front left border white.
Colored some of the red line on shoulder red to fill gaps.
Colored the whitish spot on the sleeve blue to match.
Colored the gap in the bottom right of the A on back in black to hide.

As well as, the PSA 9 might have also been altered prior to because it doesn't have either left or right edge with a rough cut, which would seem to indicate it was trimmed or sheet cut.

If it was trimmed or sheet cut, he wouldn't have cracked it. He's too damn knowledgeable.

barrysloate · #5 06-08-2019, 03:35 PM

That turns a 3K card into a 25K card? Absolutely f**king nuts!

PiratesWS1979 · #6 06-08-2019, 03:42 PM

The marks that were supposedly removed are actually common attributes of the �52 Bowman Musial.
Has anybody ever thought that it may have actually bumped to a �10� and was photoshopped when auctioned?

The buyer was on here so maybe he can shed some more light on this.

Hopefully this is the case and there are far less trimmed/altered cards then thought and is just a �camera trick�.

sorry for the poor images

MULLINS5 · #7 06-08-2019, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by PiratesWS1979

The marks that were supposedly removed are actually common attributes of the �52 Bowman Musial.
Has anybody ever thought that it may have actually bumped to a �10� and was photoshopped when auctioned?

The buyer was on here so maybe he can shed some more light on this.

Hopefully this is the case and there are far less trimmed/altered cards then thought and is just a �camera trick�.

sorry for the poor images

Zero chance it simply bumped. Those marks, while common, were removed and touched up. Card fibers on the reverse prove they are the same card.

conor912 · #8 06-08-2019, 05:53 PM

I don't know the OP, though he seems like a good guy and I sincerely hope he gets the restitution he's looking for. That said, it's impossible to convince me that he and his ilk aren't the source of this entire problem. Of course not knowingly, but the happy willingness to spend $22k more on a 10 than a 9 is ultimately what is being taken advantage here. It wouldn't be entirely fair to put this squarely on the guys with deep pockets, as no one deserves to get ripped off, regardless of their financial standing. However, they do have a seat at the table which, like or not, is what money buys you in this country. I just wish enough of them would be willing to take their money off the table to make a difference.

PiratesWS1979 · #9 06-08-2019, 05:58 PM

Actually, there�s a good chance it bumped to a 10, and was photoshopped for resale and not altered.

Hasn�t anyone ever received a card that wasn�t quite the same as the scan? Even from PWCC?
Of course, doesn�t mean it�s trimmed/altered

Before I grab my pitchfork and torch I�d like to hear from the owner to see if the marks are there.

Peter_Spaeth · #10 06-08-2019, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by PiratesWS1979

Actually, there’s a good chance it bumped to a 10, and was photoshopped for resale and not altered.

Hasn’t anyone ever received a card that wasn’t quite the same as the scan? Even from PWCC?
Of course, doesn’t mean it’s trimmed/altered

Before I grab my pitchfork and torch I’d like to hear from the owner to see if the marks are there.

He has indicated he is attempting to return it. If it was just a bump, don't you think Brent would have told him that? And would have urged him to compare the card in hand with the 9 scan?

Bicem · #11 06-08-2019, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by conor912

I don't know the OP, though he seems like a good guy and I sincerely hope he gets the restitution he's looking for. That said, it's impossible to convince me that he and his ilk aren't the source of this entire problem. Of course not knowingly, but the happy willingness to spend $22k more on a 10 than a 9 is ultimately what is being taken advantage here. It wouldn't be entirely fair to put this squarely on the guys with deep pockets, as no one deserves to get ripped off, regardless of their financial standing. However, they do have a seat at the table which, like or not, is what money buys you in this country. I just wish enough of them would be willing to take their money off the table to make a difference.

Well said, agreed completely.

PiratesWS1979 · #12 06-08-2019, 07:32 PM

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If it is two different cards, PSA really needs to contact the owner, if they haven't already, to see if it's still owned. I'm still holding out hope!!

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