PWCC Scandal and LOTG announcement

[calvindog]

Somehow Al knew enough to not let Moser register for his auctions. PSA let Moser submit under his name for 20 years.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by calvindog

Somehow Al knew enough to not let Moser register for his auctions. PSA let Moser submit under his name for 20 years.

And if we can ever get those records, that may well turn out to be a blessing in disguise; had he submitted through unsuspected sources there would be no hope of tracking his cards.

Over under on how many cards he submitted?

[calvindog]

Directly and through proxies?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by calvindog

Directly and through proxies?

Yes, total.

[Arazi4442]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Yes, total.

I wouldn't be shocked if we're talking high 4 figures, low 5 figures in terms of submissions.

Once you've got the beats down on the fraud you're committing, all you need are the raw materials and there's an endless supply of cards, customers, etc.

BTW, +1 to all the positive statements re: LOTGs release.

$c0tt Cl1nt0n

[charlietheexterminator]

Awesome job Al, good luck with the upcoming LOTG Auction

[dwinters]

Basically the announcement says we don’t trust any tpg. Would love to see auction houses do their own grading now by providing high res scans. Who really needs psa?

[toledo_mudhen]

Although I suspect that PSA will emerge unscathed as it appears the information is primarily circulating among the so very few of us on various forums.

One firm indicator would be to see those PSA turn around times start to get better.

Not holding my breath

[vintagebaseballcardguy]

Originally Posted by dwinters

Basically the announcement says we don’t trust any tpg. Would love to see auction houses do their own grading now by providing high res scans. Who really needs psa?

I have thought this, too. I remember what is what was like buying raw cards out of catalogs and getting burned. What was described as NM turned out to be EX at best. However, that was 20 or so years ago. Think how far technology has advanced since then. Now we can see nice big, detailed scans. Can those scans be manipulated? Yes. But that is also the case when the card resides in a TPG slab.

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[perezfan]

Originally Posted by dwinters

Basically the announcement says we don’t trust any tpg. Would love to see auction houses do their own grading now by providing high res scans. Who really needs psa?

I agree as well...

Once it resides in the idiotic slab, we can no longer see the edges or side view of the card. I would strongly support a reputable auction house that advises on the authenticity of the card only, yet leaves it raw for us to assign our own grade, and enjoy free of bar codes and other distractions.

Edited to say that LOTG and REA are my auction houses of choice, for both consigning and buying.... Al and Brian are both men of integrity, and are best of class within the hobby!

[RedsFan1941]

Originally Posted by dwinters

Basically the announcement says we don’t trust any tpg. Would love to see auction houses do their own grading now by providing high res scans. Who really needs psa?

last summer al auctioned a photocopy of a 1952 topps Mantle in a frame. to his credit he canceled the sale and didn’t make the high bidder go through with the transaction. just like putting your trust blindly in a tpg is a mistake, so would assuming that every auction house owner always knows what he or she is selling.