Outed cards, now including a 130K gain on an Aaron rookie

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

yes i added to my comment....but the rounding part is interesting

so how much is PSA supposed to pay back on this one? No lawsuits filed so everyone must be being paid back to their satisfaction

This is an SGC card, for starters.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

This is an SGC card, for starters.

so SGC doesnt pay anything back? I think you know what i mean.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

so SGC doesnt pay anything back? I think you know what i mean.

Someone has to make a claim, Jake. It got outed yesterday. I really don't know what you're driving at here. I hope you do.

[Bigdaddy]

So does anyone have any idea of where the cards that are rejected by the TPGs are winding up?

Are they just being resubmitted over and over until they finally get a numeric grade?

Are they being sold/auctioned raw through some other dealer?

Maybe someone is using them as coasters for their drinks?

They are somewhere though; they have not disappeared.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Bigdaddy

So does anyone have any idea of where the cards that are rejected by the TPGs are winding up?

Are they just being resubmitted over and over until they finally get a numeric grade?

Are they being sold/auctioned raw through some other dealer?

Maybe someone is using them as coasters for their drinks?

They are somewhere though; they have not disappeared.

Some of 1 and some of 2 I suspect.

[swarmee]

Seems like, for vintage, he's submitting to PSA first, having a high success rate, and then may try back at PSA again before submitting to SGC. If the first touch-up didn't work, maybe a second will? Some of the cards were purchased two years prior to coming back up for sale. This may be due to the ones that were initially deemed altered being retried multiple times.

Some of the sets really only have value in PSA slabs because of the registry.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Someone has to make a claim, Jake. It got outed yesterday. I really don't know what you're driving at here. I hope you do.

Lots of talk, no lawsuits. If no lawsuits, that says might not be such a problem.

[steve B]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

Lots of talk, no lawsuits. If no lawsuits, that says might not be such a problem.

Or... keep your scams to small dollar amounts and refund readily when found out... No lawsuit no problem?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by steve B

Or... keep your scams to small dollar amounts and refund readily when found out... No lawsuit no problem?

I don't follow this at all. There are some very expensive altered cards in holders, starting with 00000001.

[steve B]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I don't follow this at all. There are some very expensive altered cards in holders, starting with 00000001.

It was mostly a response to the idea that if there aren't lawsuits there's no problem.
Not many will sue over $10, especially if they say "oh I have a problem" and they get their $10 back right away.

Now the other bike shop in town where the owners relative confronted by a soon to be bride with some pretty gnarly facial scrapes from the handlebars coming loose who replied to this news with "well what do you expect me to do about it? " …

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by steve B

Or... keep your scams to small dollar amounts and refund readily when found out... No lawsuit no problem?

correct..if there are no lawsuits its not enough of a problem...usually even when there are no criminal charges there are at least civil lawsuits...if you dont see any civil lawsuits then you can forget criminal charges etc..

its a problem even if no lawsuits but i would worry about problems where there are actual lawsuits and criminal charges more than on problems where there aren't

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

correct..if there are no lawsuits its not enough of a problem...usually even when there are no criminal charges there are at least civil lawsuits...if you dont see any civil lawsuits then you can forget criminal charges etc..

its a problem even if no lawsuits but i would worry about problems where there are actual lawsuits and criminal charges more than on problems where there aren't

Do you think lawsuits occur before or after a plaintiff attempts to get his money refunded?

Do you think criminal charges are brought before or after law enforcement completes its investigation?

[steve B]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

correct..if there are no lawsuits its not enough of a problem...usually even when there are no criminal charges there are at least civil lawsuits...if you dont see any civil lawsuits then you can forget criminal charges etc..

its a problem even if no lawsuits but i would worry about problems where there are actual lawsuits and criminal charges more than on problems where there aren't

I was trying to point out how ridiculous the idea that there's no problem because nobody has sued anyone yet is.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

Lots of talk, no lawsuits. If no lawsuits, that says might not be such a problem.

Sure Jake whatever you say.