1914 CJ Joe Jackson PSA 2 to SGC 5

PiratesWS1979 · #1 06-23-2019, 08:55 AM

Here's more proof it's the same card:

The larger circle is paper loss while the small circle was recolored.

(sorry, the PWCC image is not the best of quality, even though it's "High Res")

Heritage PSA 2:

PWCC SGC 5:

Johnny630 · #2 06-23-2019, 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by PiratesWS1979

Here's more proof it's the same card:

The larger circle is paper loss while the small circle was recolored.

(sorry, the PWCC image is not the best of quality, even though it's "High Res")

Heritage PSA 2:

PWCC SGC 5:

Thanks sir ! I�m seeing this now....shameful

barrysloate · #3 06-23-2019, 09:18 AM

I assume that at the National there will be more than a few collectors who will get into verbal confrontations with PSA. Should be interesting. Somebody needs to film it.

ullmandds · #4 06-23-2019, 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by barrysloate

I assume that at the National there will be more than a few collectors who will get into verbal confrontations with PSA. Should be interesting. Somebody needs to film it.

Personally I�m a little sad that I will not be making the national this year. I would hope that there will be lots of visual and verbal opposition to what is happening. I would love to see people aggressively picketing or boycotting those known to be guilty so that others can see what is happening .

PiratesWS1979 · #5 06-23-2019, 09:27 AM

Here's a sad statement: I miss Battlefield/Candyman!

They were entertaining and all they did was photoshop and over grade

Peter_Spaeth · #6 06-23-2019, 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by barrysloate

I assume that at the National there will be more than a few collectors who will get into verbal confrontations with PSA. Should be interesting. Somebody needs to film it.

I am sure they will be fully prepared to spin this as a very limited and contained problem.

barrysloate · #7 06-23-2019, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I am sure they will be fully prepared to spin this as a very limited and contained problem.

Agreed. But that will only get the people on the other side of the table angrier, louder, and more vocal. Like I said, should get interesting.

Peter_Spaeth · #8 06-23-2019, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by barrysloate

Agreed. But that will only get the people on the other side of the table angrier, louder, and more vocal. Like I said, should get interesting.

They will just poof any protesters from the Set Registry shindig I am sure, and higher ups will be nowhere near the table at the show.

darwinbulldog · #9 06-23-2019, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I am sure they will be fully prepared to spin this as a very limited and contained problem.

It's contained alright. In 10,000 slabs.

Peter_Spaeth · #10 06-23-2019, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by darwinbulldog

It's contained alright. In 10,000 slabs.

I wish it was only that many.

darwinbulldog · #11 06-23-2019, 10:34 AM

The population of slabbed cards is a combination of clean cards and (reasonably) well-doctored cards.

The population of unslabbed cards is a combination of clean cards and poorly doctored cards.

So it seems, as long as you're at least as good at detecting alterations as the graders are, as seems to apply to an increasingly large proportion of Net54 members, that it's safer to buy raw since the altered ones will be fairly obvious.

Bicem · #12 06-23-2019, 11:11 AM

Graders should just move to a system where it's slabbed as authentic or it's rejected as a fake. Buyers can then just decide on their own how much to pay for the condition/presentation of the card without the grading company opinion on that aspect.

You should then see the huge price gaps for condition fall and the card doctors much less motivated.

I know it's a completely different collecting mindset, but one that can be just as rewarding and enjoyable. In the PSA slabbed photo world, photo type is identified but no mention of condition, alterations, etc. and photo collectors do not put large premiums on condition. Just look at the most expensive photo (to my knowledge) that's sold thus far...

Cobb

brianp-beme · #13 06-23-2019, 11:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by darwinbulldog

The population of slabbed cards is a combination of clean cards and (reasonably) well-doctored cards.

The population of unslabbed cards is a combination of clean cards and poorly doctored cards.

So it seems, as long as you're at least as good at detecting alterations as the graders are, as seems to apply to an increasingly large proportion of Net54 members, that it's safer to buy raw since the altered ones will be fairly obvious.

Maybe I can sneak some of these past the TPG's. I guess I have been ahead of this grading curve for decades.

Brian

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