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Old 06-23-2019, 08:27 PM
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Or... keep your scams to small dollar amounts and refund readily when found out... No lawsuit no problem?
correct..if there are no lawsuits its not enough of a problem...usually even when there are no criminal charges there are at least civil lawsuits...if you dont see any civil lawsuits then you can forget criminal charges etc..

its a problem even if no lawsuits but i would worry about problems where there are actual lawsuits and criminal charges more than on problems where there aren't
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correct..if there are no lawsuits its not enough of a problem...usually even when there are no criminal charges there are at least civil lawsuits...if you dont see any civil lawsuits then you can forget criminal charges etc..

its a problem even if no lawsuits but i would worry about problems where there are actual lawsuits and criminal charges more than on problems where there aren't
Do you think lawsuits occur before or after a plaintiff attempts to get his money refunded?

Do you think criminal charges are brought before or after law enforcement completes its investigation?
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Do you think lawsuits occur before or after a plaintiff attempts to get his money refunded?

Do you think criminal charges are brought before or after law enforcement completes its investigation?
DNFTT, as they say. It's so absurd as to not warrant comment at this point.
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I'm defending a case right now that was filed almost 2 years after a merger, claiming shareholders of the acquired company got shortchanged. I guess if Jake had been advising the client he would have told them to rest easy a few days after the closing. No lawsuit, no problem.
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I'm defending a case right now that was filed almost 2 years after a merger, claiming shareholders of the acquired company got shortchanged. I guess if Jake had been advising the client he would have told them to rest easy a few days after the closing. No lawsuit, no problem.
Maybe he practices in a jurisdiction where the statute of limitations is only a week? Mars perhaps?
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Maybe he practices in a jurisdiction where the statute of limitations is only a week? Mars perhaps?
Less gravity may translate to a shorter limitations period.
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The Mars day IS somewhat shorter than ours...
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I'm defending a case right now that was filed almost 2 years after a merger, claiming shareholders of the acquired company got shortchanged. I guess if Jake had been advising the client he would have told them to rest easy a few days after the closing. No lawsuit, no problem.
I agree cases can be filed a day before the Statute of Limitations but if this is such a big issue and deep and rich with so many people burned. i would think someone will file a case before 2 years. Heck someone sued the Spurs for not playing their Starters a few years back and it was a day or so after it happened.
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Someone may yet sue. They would have to first submit the card to PSA under the guarantee, and PSA would have to decline to honor the guarantee, before any claim would be ripe. That is going to take time. The guarantee does not require PSA to review a card within X days does it?
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Someone may yet sue. They would have to first submit the card to PSA under the guarantee, and PSA would have to decline to honor the guarantee, before any claim would be ripe. That is going to take time. The guarantee does not require PSA to review a card within X days does it?
I know a lot of card buyers that are pretty impatient. If a card is late a few days they go nuts. If you thought you lost 5k? How long would you wait around. 3 months? I guess i am asking what time frame do you think is a reasonable time that you would agree that it would appear strange no lawsuits are filed and/or that appears refunds are being paid to everyone's satisfaction so no lawsuits are filed. Dont tell me a year..
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Old 06-23-2019, 10:08 PM
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Do you think lawsuits occur before or after a plaintiff attempts to get his money refunded?

Do you think criminal charges are brought before or after law enforcement completes its investigation?
Well BP oil spill there were lawsuits next week....not comparing cards to that but you are acting like its unrealistic to have lawsuits filed in a month...its not uncommon to have lawsuits filed in a week. Its been more than a month..how long do you think isn't too long? 3 months? 4 months? You tell me..

I agree if money is refunded and all the buyers are happy there wont be lawsuits thus far there are no lawsuits.

law enforcement completing its investigation? Civil suits occur much faster than that. As stated, there may be no criminal cases but there always are civil cases if its a real problem. If theres a criminal case there WILL be civil cases of course.

Also there are people that dont care what is offered and they want a lawsuit filed to make everything public instead of signing a release and be silent. I think theres a large enough sample size of buyers that were wronged that the all wont be satisfied with a refund and going quietly etc if its truly a big deal in the hobby
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correct..if there are no lawsuits its not enough of a problem...usually even when there are no criminal charges there are at least civil lawsuits...if you dont see any civil lawsuits then you can forget criminal charges etc..

its a problem even if no lawsuits but i would worry about problems where there are actual lawsuits and criminal charges more than on problems where there aren't
I was trying to point out how ridiculous the idea that there's no problem because nobody has sued anyone yet is.
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I was trying to point out how ridiculous the idea that there's no problem because nobody has sued anyone yet is.
Good luck with that.
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E121 Ruth 17K gain. SGC. Also graded at National. Good show.
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WTF. They spotted the nearly invisible erasure on a T206 I'd owned since the early 80's but didn't spot that one?

Why do I always get the graders that can see?

Or do I need to tape a 50 to the card saver?
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that e121 ruth was once mine!!! i sold it through REA a few years ago. It was pen on the back.
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WTF. They spotted the nearly invisible erasure on a T206 I'd owned since the early 80's but didn't spot that one?

Why do I always get the graders that can see?

Or do I need to tape a 50 to the card saver?
Or give to Brent to submit?
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Or give to Brent to submit?
I really shouldn't complain, the card is still a really nice looking common, I'd hoped for a 50, maybe 60 and it still got a 40 even with the erasure.

But the one on that Ruth is really bad. It may look ok ish, but the contrast enhanced view it stands out much more than the light stains.
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It looks like REA sold it prior to being altered. I wonder if Brent bought it, as he did the WWG DiMaggio.
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It looks like REA sold it prior to being altered. I wonder if Brent bought it, as he did the WWG DiMaggio.
I know someone who'd know who bought it!
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I know someone who'd know who bought it!
Someone who knew told me who bought the DiMaggio, but I'm not sure history will repeat itself.
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Let me guess how this goes.

Lets say me... Lawyer X, I've been defrauded out of $2000. I want to sue!
Lawyer X. Did you try to get your money back
Me no, I'm too mad and want to sue!

Maybe make the next line by lawyer X multiple choice
a)Security!
b)The small claims forms are online/At the courthouse
c) show yourself out, I'd do it, but that would only make your bill larger.
d) Of course! My retainer is $XXXXX
e) Of course! I haven't lost one in a while and it's good to stay humble.
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Let me guess how this goes.

Lets say me... Lawyer X, I've been defrauded out of $2000. I want to sue!
Lawyer X. Did you try to get your money back
Me no, I'm too mad and want to sue!

Maybe make the next line by lawyer X multiple choice
a)Security!
b)The small claims forms are online/At the courthouse
c) show yourself out, I'd do it, but that would only make your bill larger.
d) Of course! My retainer is $XXXXX
e) Of course! I haven't lost one in a while and it's good to stay humble.

Tell that do the buyer of that 60k card that sold for 5k months earlier in an much lower graded holder and there are before and after pictures of an alteration... Just an example, just saying there are more examples of people that bought altered cards than guys that bought cards for less than 1000, plus people may of bought more than one 'issue' card which adds up
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I was trying to point out how ridiculous the idea that there's no problem because nobody has sued anyone yet is.
Doesnt mean its a problem. but there are problems and there are PROBLEMs....its not like the united states is not a litigious country. Always here stories of people suing for anything with disregard to costs and their time.

Theres a been a whole lot of talk with zero lawsuits..
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