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Old 06-23-2019, 08:33 PM
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Graders should just move to a system where it's slabbed as authentic or it's rejected as a fake. Buyers can then just decide on their own how much to pay for the condition/presentation of the card without the grading company opinion on that aspect.

You should then see the huge price gaps for condition fall and the card doctors much less motivated.

I know it's a completely different collecting mindset, but one that can be just as rewarding and enjoyable. In the PSA slabbed photo world, photo type is identified but no mention of condition, alterations, etc. and photo collectors do not put large premiums on condition. Just look at the most expensive photo (to my knowledge) that's sold thus far...

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Jeff, not a bad idea...but I'd submit to you, how about these levels...

-Authentic (unaltered)
-Authentic (altered)
-Rejected (fake)
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Old 06-23-2019, 08:38 PM
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Jeff, not a bad idea...but I'd submit to you, how about these levels...

-Authentic (unaltered)
-Authentic (altered)
-Rejected (fake)
Michael I was thinking the same thing with the Auth alt/unalt but how could we trust them to be able to discern that with all that’s going on.
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Old 06-23-2019, 08:44 PM
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i agree I like the 3 possibilities...but I also have little faith that they can determine.
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Old 06-23-2019, 09:00 PM
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i agree I like the 3 possibilities...but I also have little faith that they can determine.
Three possibilities means no Registry and less money. Not happening.
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Old 06-23-2019, 10:20 PM
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So what is the recourse. SGC should pay 60k back to the buyer? You guys tell me what should happen as apparently this is going on right now..
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Old 06-24-2019, 05:02 AM
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So what is the recourse. SGC should pay 60k back to the buyer? You guys tell me what should happen as apparently this is going on right now..
If that's what their guarantee states, then yes.
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Old 06-24-2019, 08:48 AM
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If that's what their guarantee states, then yes.
actually, it is Guaranty

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Old 06-24-2019, 09:35 AM
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If that's what their guarantee states, then yes.
sounds like from the others posting on the thread they dont legally owe anything.. . so again what is the recourse for this buyer of this allegedly tainted card and 60k price difference...
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Old 06-24-2019, 12:22 AM
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Three possibilities means no Registry and less money. Not happening.
Yeah, only works if collectors give up all that nonsense and stop playing ball, really force PSA's hand.

And only Authentic or not, no faith in ability to detect alterations.

Won't happen, but this is a grading system I could get behind.
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Yeah, only works if collectors give up all that nonsense and stop playing ball, really force PSA's hand.

And only Authentic or not, no faith in ability to detect alterations.

Won't happen, but this is a grading system I could get behind.
We know it won't happen, but would be a good system.

Jeff- Faith in the TPG's is obviously in question in general these days...BUT, I do feel strongly, in this hypothetical situation, that you need to distinguish between Authentic 'Unaltered' & Authentic 'Altered', IMO.
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