Industry participants' response to scandal so far -- report card

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by Republicaninmass

I have to think so. But then again, they bought cards from their OWN auctions, altered them, and resold through their OWN auctions. Guess they thought people wouldn't catch on

and no lawsuits..... because evidently everyone is waiting for the PSA review process or are being paid off and happy

Also nobody submits to PSA anymore or will wait in line due to all of these major problems..

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

and no lawsuits..... because evidently everyone is waiting for the PSA review process or are being paid off and happy

Also nobody submits to PSA anymore or will wait in line due to all of these major problems..

With all this no lawsuit posts are you begging for work?

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by bnorth

With all this no lawsuit posts are you begging for work?

Appears to be no work. Everyone is happy it appears..or willing to wait 3 months or years for PSA to review their card because what choice do they have..

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

Appears to be no work. Everyone is happy it appears..or willing to wait 3 months or years for PSA to review their card because what choice to they have..

Speak for yourself.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by calvindog

Speak for yourself.

talk is cheap, when there are actual lawsuits, there will be something to really discuss.... everyone can say all the witty things they want back and forth but its just talk until theres an actual lawsuit.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

talk is cheap, when there are actual lawsuits, there will be something to really discuss.... everyone can say all the witty things they want back and forth but its just talk until theres an actual lawsuit.

Countless claims, even substantial ones, get resolved every day without an actual lawsuit. Do you genuinely not know that?

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Countless claims, even substantial ones, get resolved every day without an actual lawsuit. Do you genuinely not know that?

I'm not convinced he's a lawyer. No one could be this clueless, even the shittiest slip and fall lawyer.

The average value of a trimmed card in this mess is probably $2000. Let's say it's $5000. Jake, do you think people are going to run to sue over that amount of money? Or will they try like hell to do anything they can to avoid paying a lawyer more money than the value of the card they're suing over? Even the guy with the trimmed PSA 10 Musial didn't sue immediately. He's clearly trying to get his money back without the need for costly, lengthy litigation.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Countless claims, even substantial ones, get resolved every day without an actual lawsuit. Do you genuinely not know that?

right and if zero lawsuits then everyone is happy...seems like all of the at fault people are taking care of everything right?

[Leon]

How about if a board lawyer is representing any of the involved fraudulent parties? You don't need a lawsuit to take a retainer do you? A retainer would be considered work, right? I am not saying there are any representing anyone but it wouldn't surprise me in the least.

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

talk is cheap, when there are actual lawsuits, there will be something to really discuss.... everyone can say all the witty things they want back and forth but its just talk until theres an actual lawsuit.

[Kenny Cole]

I can assure you that I, for one, am not. I sincerely hope that ALL the fraudsters are charged criminally, and I also hope they get their asses sued off civilly. PSA also needs to back up its warranty. I hope it gets its ass sued off too if it doesn't.

To Jake, despite your claims, sometimes it takes a while. I agree with Peter on that. You are allegedly a lawyer. I mean, seriously? Give me a break.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by Leon

How about if a board lawyer is representing any of the involved fraudulent parties? You don't need a lawsuit to take a retainer do you? A retainer would be considered work, right? I am not saying there are any representing anyone but it wouldn't surprise me in the least.

Lawsuits are a whole different animal then some lawyer sending a letter.

[Johnny630]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

and no lawsuits..... because evidently everyone is waiting for the PSA review process or are being paid off and happy

Also nobody submits to PSA anymore or will wait in line due to all of these major problems..

An inquiring mind also may ponder whether or not other card doctors have been doing this.....not as bold and or arrogant to the fact of doing it in the same auction house while buying using same eBay account....leads me to believe other guys may have been doing this more inconspicuously...if past behavior has never been held accountable what’s to lead anyone to believe it would to them...when there are zero consequences for ones behavior you get more of the same behavior...
We all live in a Wild West Industry That has always been loaded with this....

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Johnny630

An inquiring mind also may ponder whether or not other card doctors have been doing this.....not as bold and or arrogant to the fact of doing it in the same auction house while buying using same eBay account....leads me to believe other guys may have been doing this more inconspicuously...if past behavior has never been held accountable what’s to lead anyone to believe it would to them...when there are zero consequences for ones behavior you get more of the same behavior

There are MANY card doctors.

[Johnny630]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

There are MANY card doctors.

Agree and Almost Zero Peter have been held accountable...

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Johnny630

Agree and Almost Zero Peter have been held accountable...

Yup. The train just keeps on rolling. Bad people profit and good people (most anyhow) do nothing. We'll see if the recent revelations which are so in your face and shocking and undeniable bring about any change.