Do Pre-War Collectors buy Modern Cards Featurin Game Used Items of Pre-War Players

68Hawk · #1 06-26-2019, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by packs

It's not a claim, it's reality. The cards do not tell you where the items come from. They all have a similar statement on the back congratulating the person who pulled the card on their pull. It would take no extra effort to include acquisition information. It's not very realistic to say it's on the consumer to find out where the materials came from when the manufacturer can make the information available on the product. You would expect that information from any other retailer of game used memorabilia, so why not card manufacturers? What's different about them?

Uhh, I think you're now just wanting to argue to be right.
I don't ask Stickley to provide pictures of them assembling my piece of furniture, I trust their label as proof of their sincerity and action.
Same with my Mercedes that I'm trusting is not a re-badged KIA, and my Boar's Head Tavern Ham not being moose meat.
You've decided you're owed some special convincing and proof, and I don't think they owe you anything.
Feel free to not buy the product, but you're accusing them of lying and cheating the public when they visibly state that game used material by the player is being used. That'd be a serious offense in the law courts and they'd be subject to being sued for every dollar ever expended in the pursuit of falsely labelled material. Bring the action yourself and prove it and you'll never have to work again.
Big charge, and you're not willing to email them to set your heart and mind at ease as well as bring an end to your accusations.
Gotta love a message board.

packs · #2 06-26-2019, 04:30 PM

How is asking for the information to be made available on the product an accusation of anything? I think it's more than fair to want to know how the game used materials you're buying in products was sourced. As I said, it is the same information you would ask for from any one single person who sold you an item described as game used. The signed insert cards feature statements about the card being signed in the presence of a representative of the company. The game used materials do not carry the same kind of assurance of authenticity.

68Hawk · #3 06-26-2019, 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by packs

How is asking for the information to be made available on the product an accusation of anything? I think it's more than fair to want to know how the game used materials you're buying in products was sourced. As I said, it is the same information you would ask for from any one single person who sold you an item described as game used. The signed insert cards feature statements about the card being signed in the presence of a representative of the company. The game used materials do not carry the same kind of assurance of authenticity.

Because it is understood the signatures of living players did not cost the company too much per auto, that the players make their money by repeating a squiggle 500 times in 75 minutes of visiting time, and collectors can value them accordingly as not inherently rare or valuable. They have social status for their playing era, but you are not buying limited resources.
If UD announced they bought a Mantle jersey for $5K and not the $30K we'd imagine, then each card carrying cloth could surely not be all too valuable....and thus - who will pay the big bucks to purchase those 4 card packs?
Keeping the number and history vague allows collectors to simply imagine a perceived value and spend accordingly, regardless of whether the jersey was only used in a pre-season game rather than when the shot was heard around the world.
Also, by keeping total numbers and availability to themselves we don't know whether it should be considered scarce and highly collectable or just part of a stream of available material.
It's why the modern stuff is fairly valueless outside of low number rookie stuff with it's accompanying patch.

Speaking of, I have only 11 memorabilia cards amongst my collection but I love this one:

68Hawk · #4 06-26-2019, 04:35 PM

https://www.cardboardconnection.com/...orabilia-cards

Chris-Counts · #5 06-26-2019, 05:11 PM

Game used cards with their various slivers and swatches are sports memorabilia's time shares.

oldjudge · #6 06-26-2019, 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Counts

Game used cards with their various slivers and swatches are sports memorabilia's time shares.

It isn’t really Chris because time shares don’t break up the property, they just share ownership of it. These cards tear up historic pieces which can never be put back together again. If you like this then you should also love cutting up the constitution into little pieces to be put in cards, or cutting up the Mona Lisa to be in cards. To go further, why not cut up rare cards to be in cards so everyone can own a sliver of a Baltimore News Ruth or a T206 Wagner. I think to own cards like this shows an utter disregard for history and I would never own one.

68Hawk · #7 06-26-2019, 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by oldjudge

It isn’t really Chris because time shares don’t break up the property, they just share ownership of it. These cards tear up historic pieces which can never be put back together again. If you like this then you should also love cutting up the constitution into little pieces to be put in cards, or cutting up the Mona Lisa to be in cards. To go further, why not cut up rare cards to be in cards so everyone can own a sliver of a Baltimore News Ruth or a T206 Wagner. I think to own cards like this shows an utter disregard for history and I would never own one.

Wow. That's super pious. Good for you.
Good thing you don't have time for such stuff, otherwise you could own your own piece of the Kitty Hawk that NASA took up to the moon when they cut up a small piece of it's wings, and subsequently brought back home to earth.

It's not the Mona Lisa, there are many more than one of these jerseys and bats.
It's more like if Rembrandt had painted a dozen exact copies of the Mona Lisa. If an artist then purchased one and made 1,000 pieces of his own artwork incorporating a small section of one of these Mona Lisa's, and this subsequent art was so beautiful to look at while highlighting the very history of painting through the ages in it's canvas...
Yeh, that'd be kinda amazing and for 5K I wouldn't mind owning such a piece.

Ah well, carry on with hmphnessss.

oldjudge · #8 06-26-2019, 07:10 PM

I feel sorry for you, that you are so selfish and self centered that you would rather have a meaningless scrap of a once significant piece of memorabilia than keep the piece together so future generations could enjoy it in its� original state. Thank goodness there aren�t too many people like you.

Kenny Cole · #9 06-26-2019, 07:56 PM

I have zero interest in owning a swath of cloth from a uniform or a sliver of wood from a bat. Personally, I think it is a horrible thing for these companies to do. I understand the superficial appeal, and others may feel differently, but it is absolutely not for me.

Orioles1954 · #10 06-26-2019, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by oldjudge

I feel sorry for you, that you are so selfish and self centered that you would rather have a meaningless scrap of a once significant piece of memorabilia than keep the piece together so future generations could enjoy it in its� original state. Thank goodness there aren�t too many people like you.

Ummm...there are a lot of people like him and the pieces being cut up are hardly one of a kind. In fact pre-war collectors are the vast minority.

68Hawk · #11 06-26-2019, 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by oldjudge

I feel sorry for you, that you are so selfish and self centered that you would rather have a meaningless scrap of a once significant piece of memorabilia than keep the piece together so future generations could enjoy it in its’ original state. Thank goodness there aren’t too many people like you.

Oh boy, can I replace pious with sanctimonious and ass-hole ish from my previous post replying to you?

You feel sorry for me, for enjoying a piece of memorabilia and paper differently to you?
Good lord. How will the world survive.
Fortunately when you and I are both gone future generations will similarly have their chance to decide how to best enjoy this 'stuff', and neither of us will have any say in it.
I wouldn't have it any other way, however I have a feeling you would rather burn everything down than have people decide for themselves they enjoy it differently from you.

ejharrington · #12 06-28-2019, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by oldjudge

I feel sorry for you, that you are so selfish and self centered that you would rather have a meaningless scrap of a once significant piece of memorabilia than keep the piece together so future generations could enjoy it in its� original state. Thank goodness there aren�t too many people like you.

Just a tad bit over the top, LOL.

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