What's there left to say at this point? Anyone just buy this 33 Gehrig?

thenextlevel · #1 06-27-2019, 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by mechanicalman

It�s for sale now on eBay for $2500 if anyone wants to buy the �evidence.� And, no, it�s not mine.

Is there anyone who tries to earn an honest buck anymore?

Lol, so the buyer probably saw that his purchase was altered, and now is trying to not only sell it, but to sell it for a premium to what he paid.

swarmee · #2 06-27-2019, 08:30 AM

He should sell it for even more. Then PSA's liability is even higher. Why PSA hasn't recalled all these cards by known doctors and PWCC conservators and told auction houses to stop auctioning their tainted products seems like something the SEC would be interested in.

Peter_Spaeth · #3 06-27-2019, 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by swarmee

He should sell it for even more. Then PSA's liability is even higher. Why PSA hasn't recalled all these cards by known doctors and PWCC conservators and told auction houses to stop auctioning their tainted products seems like something the SEC would be interested in.

Rhetorical question I assume.

Republicaninmass · #4 06-27-2019, 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Rhetorical question I assume.

Who can tell anymore.!?

Johnny630 · #5 06-27-2019, 08:49 AM

Pressing a card Like this completely Smashed the card stock two pieces of cardboard smashed together top and bottom. Cardboard is completely different then comic books, the women claims to be a comic book restoration expert, which is paper, cards are cardboard, totally different thickness and consistency. PSA missing this ought to be ashamed of itself. If you held this card up horizontally you can see the thinness of the card
Stock. What good are their services, nothing is full proof I�m not saying that, if they can�t consistently tell the difference of a altered card ?? To many misses and ugly ones like this. Kool Aid Drinkers Wake Up
PSA either sucks at their job or something worse....I�m going to stick with they really just suck at their job.

1952boyntoncollector · #6 06-27-2019, 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by swarmee

He should sell it for even more. Then PSA's liability is even higher. Why PSA hasn't recalled all these cards by known doctors and PWCC conservators and told auction houses to stop auctioning their tainted products seems like something the SEC would be interested in.

Yep PSA will pay every dollar that someone wants because everyone will agree what the damages are. Being the 3rd buyer after the card was 'altered' wont cause any issues at all. Especially when that 3rd buyer paid 2x more than the 2nd buyer.

Or if there is an issue. Any lawsuit will be too time consuming and costs involved and attorney fees will prevent anyone from doing anything apparently...

ajg · #7 06-27-2019, 08:39 AM

Here is the solution tho this mess. And make no mistake this is a disaster. However we cannot undo what has already been done. If we want to stay in the hobby we need to assume that ALL graded cards are altered unless proven otherwise. The TPGs created this mess but if we want to stay and enjoy the hobby we need to reassess what a graded card is worth. I will be developing a new scale for what a graded card is.

For example a PSA 8oc used to = a PSA 6 and we paid accordingly. Basically that was the rule of thumb.

Now my new grading scale will be the same 2 point deduction. Sort of similar to a gymnastics scoring.

PSA 7 old = PSA 5 today
PSA 2 old = PSA authentic today

No such thing anymore as a PSA 9 or 10. Those days are gone thanks to 18 year old graders with no clue. These grading companies do not need a curtain to hide behind anymore at the National. We know that the kids looking at these cards are 18 year olds with back packs munching on Oreo's.

glynparson · #8 06-27-2019, 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by ajg

Here is the solution tho this mess. And make no mistake this is a disaster. However we cannot undo what has already been done. If we want to stay in the hobby we need to assume that ALL graded cards are altered unless proven otherwise. The TPGs created this mess but if we want to stay and enjoy the hobby we need to reassess what a graded card is worth. I will be developing a new scale for what a graded card is.

For example a PSA 8oc used to = a PSA 6 and we paid accordingly. Basically that was the rule of thumb.

Now my new grading scale will be the same 2 point deduction. Sort of similar to a gymnastics scoring.

PSA 7 old = PSA 5 today
PSA 2 old = PSA authentic today

No such thing anymore as a PSA 9 or 10. Those days are gone thanks to 18 year old graders with no clue. These grading companies do not need a curtain to hide behind anymore at the National. We know that the kids looking at these cards are 18 year olds with back packs munching on Oreo's.

Let�s stick to facts in these trying times. Plenty of legitimate things to complain about. This myth of the inexperienced 18 year old graders is a-pipe dream a made up story. Let�s stick to the facts please. Like I said enough legitimate stuff to discuss. Inaccuracies just water down the facts.

perezfan · #9 06-27-2019, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by glynparson

Let�s stick to facts in these trying times. Plenty of legitimate things to complain about. This myth of the inexperienced 18 year old graders is a-pipe dream a made up story. Let�s stick to the facts please. Like I said enough legitimate stuff to discuss. Inaccuracies just water down the facts.

Ok, so they�re not all 18 years old. That excuse actually would have been far more acceptable/preferable to whatever reality is.

How would you explain the sheer incompetence then?

Poor eyesight?
Favorable treatment for �certain customers�?
General ineptitude at the one thing they�re employed to do?

I believe the �18 year old� explanation is far less damning than anything else that can be conjured up in PSA�s defense.

glynparson · #10 06-27-2019, 02:00 PM

Incompetence doesn’t mean they are 18 year old kids. Stop it you’re wrong. Like I said stick to facts they have no 18 year old graders. But keep coming if you want you’re foolish and you’re wrong. Go after the incompetence not the false narrative that these are 18 year old kids doing the grading. Most are in their 40s-50s. These are facts not made up BS stories.

steve B · #11 06-27-2019, 02:47 PM

I did some really good work when I was 18. Good enough he shop had me fill in on the 35" press my last week.

And I know a few kids who really have their stuff together, and did well before they were 18.

cardsnstuff · #12 06-27-2019, 04:29 PM

Personally, I think if the altering were disclosed, I would consider that acceptable, although I am not buying any of those 50-100k cards anyway.

1952boyntoncollector · #13 06-27-2019, 10:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ajg

Here is the solution tho this mess. And make no mistake this is a disaster. However we cannot undo what has already been done. If we want to stay in the hobby we need to assume that ALL graded cards are altered unless proven otherwise. The TPGs created this mess but if we want to stay and enjoy the hobby we need to reassess what a graded card is worth. I will be developing a new scale for what a graded card is.

For example a PSA 8oc used to = a PSA 6 and we paid accordingly. Basically that was the rule of thumb.

Now my new grading scale will be the same 2 point deduction. Sort of similar to a gymnastics scoring.

PSA 7 old = PSA 5 today
PSA 2 old = PSA authentic today

No such thing anymore as a PSA 9 or 10. Those days are gone thanks to 18 year old graders with no clue. These grading companies do not need a curtain to hide behind anymore at the National. We know that the kids looking at these cards are 18 year olds with back packs munching on Oreo's.

and you will lose every auction to someone without that scale.

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