PSA/SGC Waiting Lines At 2019 National

[oldjudge]

Do you think I'm wrong?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by oldjudge

Do you think I'm wrong?

No. But I think it's easier to prove nowadays or at least the part of it that left a paper trail. If Brent just dances away after paying some of the money back, I'd be surprised, though I've been surprised before.

[Kenny Cole]

He could maybe fade alterations by refunding although I tend to doubt it. I don't see him dancing away from any cards that can be proven to have been shilled. However, I too have been surprised before.

[Johnny630]

I’m I the only one who thinks nothing will stop guys from altering cards in the future ? We have already been shown they can’t be prevented on a regular basis by TPG Ing

[CobbSpikedMe]

Originally Posted by Johnny630

I’m I the only one who thinks nothing will stop guys from altering cards in the future ? We have already been shown they can’t be prevented on a regular basis by TPG Ing

I don't think anyone thinks that something will happen to stop guys from altering cards in the future. There will always be scammers in the hobby and folks that alter cards for financial gain. I don't think that is in debate.

[whitehse]

Originally Posted by CobbSpikedMe

I don't think anyone thinks that something will happen to stop guys from altering cards in the future. There will always be scammers in the hobby and folks that alter cards for financial gain. I don't think that is in debate.

The only thing that will stop the scammers is to take away the financial gain but of course we know that will not happen because too many collectors NEED the best of the best (as long as the flip says its the best regardless if the card isnt). As for me, I do not buy high dollar cards but you can make darn sure the next card I buy that is going to cost me more than the price of a cup of coffee will be given a thorough once over where I am convinced no work has been done to it. I know I will spend a few more minutes reviewing any potential card I purchase than the TPG's will do and if I am fooled then its on me.

Collectors must educate themselves or else they will rely on the TPGers and continue to get burned like they have been.

[Johnny630]

Originally Posted by whitehse

The only thing that will stop the scammers is to take away the financial gain but of course we know that will not happen because too many collectors NEED the best of the best (as long as the flip says its the best regardless if the card isnt). As for me, I do not buy high dollar cards but you can make darn sure the next card I buy that is going to cost me more than the price of a cup of coffee will be given a thorough once over where I am convinced no work has been done to it. I know I will spend a few more minutes reviewing any potential card I purchase than the TPG's will do and if I am fooled then its on me.

Collectors must educate themselves or else they will rely on the TPGers and continue to get burned like they have been.

Agree does anyone else think at this point that PSA’s brand has lost its relevance in being able to consistently determine wether a Card has been altered or not?
To me they have ......registry and pop mean nothing to me...their pop report has always been inaccurate
Can we have a New Pop Report By Newport Beach on altered Cards in holders with number grades